Law of not contradiction

@kellyjay said
So you cannot say there is no such thing as truth, it falls on its face as a truth statement, being self contradictory.

I don't think I have ever met anyone who seriously believed "there is no such thing as truth". Maybe you have. As for "truth" about supernatural things, humans can only speculate. The speculation presumably ends upon death.

@fmf said
So if your God figure is "true" then that means that it is impossible to contradict that, is that what you are on about?

If people's speculations about supernatural things contradict each other, it doesn't really matter. KellyaJay, you clearly think it does, I'll grant you that, but I don't.

@fmf said
I don't think I have ever met anyone who seriously believed "there is no such thing as truth". Maybe you have. As for "truth" about supernatural things, humans can only speculate. The speculation presumably ends upon death.

When someone has a ‘Damascus’ experience there is no speculation involved. It is a life changing experience. The error you make is ruling out the possibility that people can experience God and the supernatural in a real and meaningful way.

@kellyjay said
Truth is what it is.
You cannot have two contradictory things true at once.
You cannot be taller than 6 foot while at the same time be 5.4 feet tall.
You cannot have a square circle, or a bent straight line.
So you cannot say there is no such thing as truth, it falls on its face as a truth statement, being self contradictory.

Do you accept that 'truth' (being what it is) could be that God does 'not' exist and that by asserting God 'does' exist you are yourself proffering a contradiction?

@dj2becker said
The error you make is ruling out the possibility that people can experience God and the supernatural in a real and meaningful way.

I am not making any "error" about it. I have never once denied that people can feel they have very real experiences as a result of their faith, nor have I ever suggested that people's religious beliefs and personal opinions about superntaural things cannot be meaningful to them.

@fmf said
I am not making any "error" about it. I have never once denied that people can feel they have very real experiences as a result of their faith, nor have I ever suggested that people's religious beliefs and personal opinions about superntaural things cannot be meaningful to them.

So when you say it feels real are you implying that it isn’t in fact real but only feels real and is actually an illusion?

@dj2becker said
So when you say it feels real are you implying that it isn’t in fact real but only feels real and is actually an illusion?

If you have read and understood any of my posts on this matter in the last few weeks, or indeed thousands and thousands over the last 3-4 years, then you will already know the answer. My stance hasn't changed.

@fmf said
If you have read and understood any of my posts on this matter in the last few weeks, or indeed thousands and thousands over the last 3-4 years, then you will already know the answer. My stance hasn't changed.

There is no need for you to answer the question. Your deflection is an answer in itself.

@dj2becker said
There is no need for you to answer the question. Your deflection is an answer in itself.

It isn't a "deflection".I have described and explained my perspective on people's religious faith in literally thousands of posts, many of them to you. You appear to be asking to jump through the hoop of repeating myself. I'm simply not going to do it.

@fmf said
It isn't a "deflection".I have described and explained my perspective on people's religious faith in literally thousands of posts, many of them to you. You appear to be asking to jump through the hoop of repeating myself. I'm simply not going to do it.

This is the same ripcord you have used multiple times. Well played FMF. 👏

@dj2becker said
This is the same ripcord you have used multiple times. Well played FMF. 👏

I have discussed my perception and belief regarding other people's religious beliefs with you many times. Refer back to that.

@fmf said
I have discussed my perception and belief regarding other people's religious beliefs with you many times. Refer back to that.

I understand exactly why you suddenly can’t repeat yourself when in fact you have had no problem repeating yourself in the past.

@dj2becker said
I understand exactly why you suddenly can’t repeat yourself when in fact you have had no problem repeating yourself in the past.

I repeat myself when I choose to. You'll just have to setlle for what I have already posted.

@fmf said
I repeat myself when I choose to. You'll just have to setlle for what I have already posted.

I understand why it would be inconvenient to ‘repeat yourself’ now if in fact you have said something that even remotely answers the question I asked in the past.

@dj2becker said
I understand why it would be inconvenient to ‘repeat yourself’ now if in fact you have said something that even remotely answers the question I asked in the past.

See my response on the other thread.