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    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/05/worlds-first-lesbian-bishop-calls-church-remove-crosses-install-muslim-prayer-space/

    by OLIVER LANE5 Oct 20157,033

    The Bishop of Stockholm has proposed a church in her diocese remove all signs of the cross and put down markings showing the direction to Mecca for the benefit of Muslim worshippers.

    Eva Brunne, who was made the world’s first openly lesbian bishop by the church of Sweden in 2009, and has a young son with her wife and fellow lesbian priest Gunilla Linden, made the suggestion to make those of other faiths more welcome.
    The church targeted is the Seamen’s mission church in Stockholm’s eastern dockyards. The Bishop held a meeting there this year and challenged the priest to explain what he’d do if a ship’s crew came into port who weren’t Christian but wanted to pray.
    Calling Muslim guests to the church “angels“, the Bishop later took to her official blog to explain that removing Christian symbols from the church and preparing the building for Muslim prayer doesn’t make a priest any less a defender of the faith. Rather, to do any less would make one “stingy towards people of other faiths”.

    The bishop insisted this wasn’t an issue, after all airports and hospitals already had multi-faith prayer rooms, and converting the dockyard church would only bring it up to speed. Regardless, the announcement has aroused protest.
    Father Patrik Pettersson, one of the priests in her diocese and active in the same parish as the Seaman’s mission church has hit back in a blog of his own, complaining there is no way you could equate a consecrated church with a prayer room, remarking “I should have thought a bishop would be able to tell the difference”.

    Calling the bishop’s words “theologically unthinking”, he asked what was to be done with crucifixes screwed to the walls, and heavy items such as baptismal fonts.
    “Ignoring the rhetorical murmuring”, Pettersson wrote: “The only argument bishop Eva really put forward in support of her view is ‘hospitality’… How do you respond to that? Not much of a basis for discussion, as one colleague put it. The theological, ecclesiological, pastoral and working issues are left untouched”.
    The actual priest at the Seaman’s mission was left nonplussed by the comments of the Bishop when contacted by Dagen.se for comment.
    As an independent mission the church operates outside of the diocese, and so the bishop has no authority there, a fact reflected by the response of the church director who said the bishop’s words were her business alone.

    When asked whether she would be removing the cross from her church, Kiki Wetterberg responded: “I have no problem with Muslim or Hindu sailors coming here and praying. But I believe that we are a Christian church, so we keep the symbols. If I visit a mosque I do not ask them to take down their symbols. It’s my choice to go in there”.

    The upper echelons of the Church of Sweden, much like other national churches across Europe, seem to be fully invested in the diversity mission. Back in February, a parish church in multicultural paradise Malmö declared it would be holding a service in solidarity with the local Muslim community as a protest against a march by anti-Islamisation movement PEGIDA in the city.

    The priest responsible told media: “During the protest, the Swedish Church is going to hold a service where we express joy for our city and our Muslim friends.
    “There is strong support for diverse cultures in Malmö and it is important that the church is there to support that”.
    Malmö is Sweden’s gateway to Europe, and is the main point of ingress to the Nordic nations for the thousands of migrants travelling through Europe from Africa and the East who have decided to make it home.

    As a major bottleneck into the region, with a single bridge and ferry route connecting the country to the rest of Europe, the arrival of these migrants has heralded an unprecedented level of criminality in the city, as explained to Breitbart London by a recently retired senior police officer last month. Describing the ‘no-go’ zones that have sprung up around the city and calling for greater border controls to get criminal migration under control, Chief Superintendent Torsten Elofsson said:

    “Years ago you could go with two officers, no problem. Now you have to send four officers and two cars – if the fire brigade want to go, they have to take a police escort. They throw stones and try to stop the fireman from putting out fires.“They sabotage the police cars. You can’t leave them unguarded – when you come back to it you find the windows smashed and the tyres deflated. It isn’t quite a no-go zone, but we have had to develop special routines to go there”.
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    I thought Eva died in a bunker with Hitler. πŸ˜•
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    A tad tangential perhaps, but then again maybe not, but there are Christians who are really into their crucifixes and crosses and symbols and artifacts based on its shape, and there are Christians who eschew all that out of principle. I seem to recall posters like sonship and robbie not partaking in the whole replica crucifix thing, while Catholics - of course - have all manner of replicas and statues and other artifacts all over the place. Who is who (denominations for example) when it comes to this difference of approach?
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    Originally posted by FMF
    A tad tangential perhaps, but then again maybe not, but there are Christians who are really into their crucifixes and crosses and symbols and artifacts based on its shape, and there are Christians who eschew all that out of principle. I seem to recall posters like sonship and robbie not partaking in the whole replica crucifix thing, while Catholics - of course - ...[text shortened]... the place. Who is who (denominations for example) when it comes to this difference of approach?
    I think its fairly well known that the cross is a pagan symbol from antiquity.
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    07 Oct '15 11:53
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I think its fairly well known that the cross is a pagan symbol from antiquity.
    Well there you have it everyone, Robbie agrees with the lesbian bishop.
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    Originally posted by whodey
    Well there you have it everyone, Robbie agrees with the lesbian bishop.
    ummm try as i might i don't see how stating that the cross is a pagan symbol from antiquity is agreeing with the lesbain bishop. Did she also say it was a pagan symbol from antiquity?
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    07 Oct '15 11:59
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I think its fairly well known that the cross is a pagan symbol from antiquity.
    From the tone of that statement you feel your religion is far far superior to the ancient pagans.
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    Originally posted by sonhouse
    From the tone of that statement you feel your religion is far far superior to the ancient pagans.
    Try as i might I don't see how a simple statement of fact like 'the cross is a pagan symbol from antiquity', gives any hint of condescension against any religion. Can you tell us how you came to that conclusion? Is there anything in the wording that would suggest that I think my religion is superior to anyone else's, perhaps you can point it out for me?
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    07 Oct '15 12:091 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Try as i might I don't see how a simple statement of fact like 'the cross is a pagan symbol from antiquity', gives any hint of condescension against any religion. Can you tell us how you came to that conclusion? Is there anything in the wording that would suggest that I think my religion is superior to anyone else's, perhaps you can point it out for me?
    I was just fishingπŸ™‚ I would have thought any Christian denomination would have considered their religion superior to ANY other. Pardon me if I was wrong in that.
    I may have inadvertently put you in the same category as Hinds.
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    07 Oct '15 14:41
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I was just fishingπŸ™‚ I would have thought any Christian denomination would have considered their religion superior to ANY other. Pardon me if I was wrong in that.
    I may have inadvertently put you in the same category as Hinds.
    Personally I do think that pure Christianity is superior to anything I have come across so far in my life and if everyone adopted its tenets and practised them we could solve much of the worlds problems but there was no intent in the statement that suggests that. It was a simple statement of fact.
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    07 Oct '15 14:53
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    From the tone of that statement you feel your religion is far far superior to the ancient pagans.
    JW's feel they are far far superior to every other religious body.
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    07 Oct '15 14:541 edit
    Originally posted by divegeester
    JW's feel they are far far superior to every other religious body.
    I dint think Jehovahs witnesses feel superior to anyone. The statement was not about Jehovahs Witnsess and we see once again your rather tedious attempts to find a hook for your prejudices. How predictable and how banal.
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    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I dint think Jehovahs witnesses feel superior to anyone.
    So you are not superior to me?
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    Originally posted by divegeester
    So you are not superior to me?
    I suspect that in some instances I may be superior to you and in some cases you may be superior to me. For example i was pretty amazing at drawing and painting from childhood, many people were not, then again, i could not sing very well whereas many people could. I am certainly a superior chess player to you although i suspect you trump me in the ability to slither around the forum fabricating values and assign them to other people.
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    07 Oct '15 17:301 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I suspect that in some instances I may be superior to you and in some cases you may be superior to me. For example i was pretty amazing at drawing and painting from childhood, many people were not, then again, i could not sing very well whereas many people could. I am certainly a superior chess player to you although i suspect you trump me in the ability to slither around the forum fabricating values and assign them to other people.
    Lol. I nearly gave you a thumb-up for the 2nd part of your post. Quite good actually.
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