1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    29 Dec '12 17:051 edit
    Let's say there is no Christ (part two)

    Now, let's say there is (and that He's alive and well).

    What then?
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    29 Dec '12 17:28
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Let's say there is no Christ (part two)

    Now, let's say there is (and that He's alive and well).

    What then?
    .[/b]
    Is this the same christ who was daft enough to get nailed to a lump of wood almost 2000 years ago? If so, then he must be very old and probably quite crotchetty by now.

    If he isn't going to be anything more spectacular than being nailed to a lump of wood then I doubt it'll make much difference to be honest.
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    29 Dec '12 18:23
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Let's say there is no Christ (part two)

    Now, let's say there is (and that He's alive and well).

    What then?
    .[/b]
    Anyone whose moral behavior changes depending on whether they believe Christ lives, is operating at an immature level of motivation, in my opinion. However, if their belief (Christ lives or doesn't live) keeps them from antisocial behavior, it is fine by me.
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    29 Dec '12 18:57
    Originally posted by Kepler
    Is this the same christ who was daft enough to get nailed to a lump of wood almost 2000 years ago? If so, then he must be very old and probably quite crotchetty by now.

    If he isn't going to be anything more spectacular than being nailed to a lump of wood then I doubt it'll make much difference to be honest.
    He is now speaking of the Christ that is alive at the right hand of power on the throne in Heaven. What about that Christ? 😏
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    29 Dec '12 19:06
    Why should we worship him? His camp committed the worst act of genocide ever (to atone for God's mistakes!). His camp sentences good and moral people to an eternity of hellfire (because they use the brains god gave us for thinking and reasoning and doubting!) According to the Bible, God commits atrociously immoral acts routinely and with abandon. Speaking of the Bible, a greater collection of logical contradictions and absurdities is hard to imagine.

    If Jesus exists, he has some explaining to do.
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    29 Dec '12 19:16
    Judges 1:19

    19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

    I bet that if the Christian God exists, he is unable to send anyone anywhere without their permission. The meek inherit the earth; freethinkers get the rest of the universe.
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    29 Dec '12 19:193 edits
    Originally posted by apathist
    Why should we worship him? His camp committed the worst act of genocide ever (to atone for God's mistakes!). His camp sentences good and moral people to an eternity of hellfire (because they use the brains god gave us for thinking and reasoning and doubting!) According to the Bible, God commits atrociously immoral acts routinely and with abandon. Speaking o ...[text shortened]... adictions and absurdities is hard to imagine.

    If Jesus exists, he has some explaining to do.
    If Jesus exists, he has some explaining to do.

    Actually, Jesus explained Himself quite well. Not sure why the vast majority of Christians choose to follow the Bible as a whole instead of following HIS words as He commanded. From what I can tell, it's because it provides "cheap salvation" with "salvation by grace" and/or the idea that it's impossible for any man to stop committing sin. Jesus taught otherwise.

    Why should we worship him?

    Jesus didn't ask to be worshipped.

    His camp sentences good and moral people to an eternity of hellfire (because they use the brains god gave us for thinking and reasoning and doubting!)

    This seems to be based on Christian dogma rather than on what Jesus taught.

    Speaking of the Bible, a greater collection of logical contradictions and absurdities is hard to imagine.

    This is true. However, by and large the teachings of Jesus from when He walked the Earth holds up reasonably well.
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    29 Dec '12 19:471 edit
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne...However, by and large the teachings of Jesus from when He walked the Earth holds up reasonably well.[/b]
    None of his worth-while teachings were original. The New Testament feels a lot like Christmas to me - Christianity usurping the people's beliefs because that is the best way to control them. But yeah, the sweet Jesus is okay. Even Buddha says so.
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    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    If Jesus exists, he has some explaining to do.

    Actually, Jesus explained Himself quite well. Not sure why the vast majority of Christians choose to follow the Bible as a whole instead of following HIS words as He commanded. ...
    So the Bible is not the written Truth?
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    29 Dec '12 19:591 edit
    Originally posted by apathist
    None of his worth-while teachings were original. The New Testament feels a lot like Christmas to me - Christianity usurping the people's beliefs because that is the best way to control them. But yeah, the sweet Jesus is okay. Even Buddha says so.
    The points of your previous post were largely presented as knocks against Jesus instead of Christianity. They were misplaced.

    None of his worth-while teachings were original.

    What do you see as the origin of the "truth will make you free" passage?

    But yeah, the sweet Jesus is okay. Even Buddha says so.

    How do you figure?
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    29 Dec '12 20:051 edit
    Originally posted by apathist
    So the Bible is not the written Truth?
    Anyone willing to bring intellectual honesty in scrutinizing the Bible would not conclude that it is. Too many "logical contradictions and absurdities" (as you put it).
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    29 Dec '12 21:27
    Originally posted by apathist
    So the Bible is not the written Truth?
    Jesus the Christ is the living Truth and the Holy Bible is the written truth.

    HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
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    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    The points of your previous post were largely presented as knocks against Jesus instead of Christianity. They were misplaced.

    They are one and the same. God is Jesus. You disagree? Jesus is not our lord and savior?

    [quote]None of his worth-while teachings were original.

    What do you see as the origin of the "truth will make you free" passage?[/quote]
    Nice evasion!

    The 'truth' here is Christianity. John attempts to brainwash you into choosing to be a slave to God rather than a slave to your own human passions.

    [quote]But yeah, the sweet Jesus is okay. Even Buddha says so.
    How do you figure?
    [/quote]
    So you are ignorant of the Buddha and what he has to say. That is a typical Christian trait, to be ignorant of other views.
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    29 Dec '12 22:431 edit
    Originally posted by apathist
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    The points of your previous post were largely presented as knocks against Jesus instead of Christianity. They were misplaced.

    They are one and the same. God is Jesus. You disagree? Jesus is not our lord and savior?

    [quote][quote]None of his worth-while teachings were original.
    What do you see as the o Buddha and what he has to say. That is a typical Christian trait, to be ignorant of other views.
    Buddha's handmade.
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    29 Dec '12 23:101 edit
    Originally posted by apathist
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    The points of your previous post were largely presented as knocks against Jesus instead of Christianity. They were misplaced.

    They are one and the same. God is Jesus. You disagree? Jesus is not our lord and savior?

    [quote]None of his worth-while teachings were original.

    What do you ha and what he has to say. That is a typical Christian trait, to be ignorant of other views.
    They are one and the same. God is Jesus. You disagree? Jesus is not our lord and savior?

    You seem to be having difficulty with extricating the teachings of Jesus from the mythology built around Jesus, i.e., Christianity. It's really quite fascinating how much they differ.

    No, Jesus is not God, nor did Jesus claim to be.

    Nice evasion!

    The 'truth' here is Christianity. John attempts to brainwash you into choosing to be a slave to God rather than a slave to your own human passions.


    How was my question an "evasion"? You claimed that "none of His worth-while teachings were orginal." The implication is that they were of an origin other than His own. What was that origin?

    You seem to believe that being "a slave to your own human passions" is a good thing. In effect, isn't that akin to saying that you believe that being a slave to your lower nature is a good thing? Are you "ignorant of the Buddha and what he has to say"?

    So you are ignorant of the Buddha and what he has to say. That is a typical Christian trait, to be ignorant of other views.

    Now this might rightly be termed an "evasion". Care to answer the question?
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