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Does anyone out there think that after death you are allowed to talk about why you did or did not do certain things, or is it just an automatic shove towards Heaven or Hell ? I would like to present my case.
Originally posted by buckkyI suddenly have an image of God looking like Dr. Phil. *shudders*
Does anyone out there think that after death you are allowed to talk about why you did or did not do certain things, or is it just an automatic shove towards Heaven or Hell ? I would like to present my case.
Originally posted by buckkyIf you believe in God and life after death then presumably you also believe he knows reasonably well what you did (or how else would he know where to send you), and probably what you were thinking at the time. Thus justification after death seems to be pointless - unless you think you have an argument that he hasn't thought of perhaps?
Does anyone out there think that after death you are allowed to talk about why you did or did not do certain things, or is it just an automatic shove towards Heaven or Hell ? I would like to present my case.
Originally posted by buckkyI can only speak from my Catholic heritage, but I would say you cannot 'speak' in your defense. Among Catholics, heaven and hell are generally not viewed as places but rather as states. A person in sin, without an act of contrition or any inclination to repentance, could only feel an intense pain in the presence of a loving God because he has rejected the very source of human well-being -- God. This state would be hell. In contrast, a person who has fully cooperated with grace and earnestly sought to serve God would find total fulfillment because he would be accepting in a greater way what he had desired for so long. So the question is not about whether one can acquit oneself from any sins. Judgment day is not a legal trial (it is important to note that in Greek, the word for judgment also means separation and division.)
Does anyone out there think that after death you are allowed to talk about why you did or did not do certain things, or is it just an automatic shove towards Heaven or Hell ? I would like to present my case.
Originally posted by twhiteheadMaybe you're so heavy she can't lift you.
If you believe in God and life after death then presumably you also believe he knows reasonably well what you did (or how else would he know where to send you), and probably what you were thinking at the time. Thus justification after death seems to be pointless - unless you think you have an argument that he hasn't thought of perhaps?
So, if you do get to present your case, is your next question "Can I take my lawyer?"
Originally posted by buckkyI believe that we will give a verbal account of ourselves before God.
Does anyone out there think that after death you are allowed to talk about why you did or did not do certain things, or is it just an automatic shove towards Heaven or Hell ? I would like to present my case.
Originally posted by buckky"I would like to present my case."
Does anyone out there think that after death you are allowed to talk about why you did or did not do certain things, or is it just an automatic shove towards Heaven or Hell ? I would like to present my case.
Originally posted by Conrau KThis may be beside the point, but I've always been confused by the Catholic insistence that a Christian ought to have no assurance of salvation. Why is that exactly? If a born again individual is imbued with the life of Christ, which cannot sin, how can the promise of salvation possibly be lost? "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God" (1 John 3:9).
I can only speak from my Catholic heritage, but I would say you cannot 'speak' in your defense. Among Catholics, heaven and hell are generally not viewed as places but rather as states. A person in sin, without an act of contrition or any inclination to repentance, could only feel an intense pain in the presence of a loving God because he has rejecte ...[text shortened]... is important to note that in Greek, the word for judgment also means separation and division.)
Originally posted by epiphinehasThis may be beside the point, but I've always been confused by the Catholic insistence that a Christian ought to have no assurance of salvation. Why is that exactly? If a born again individual is imbued with the life of Christ, which cannot sin, how can the promise of salvation possibly be lost? "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God" (1 John 3:9).
This may be beside the point, but I've always been confused by the Catholic insistence that a Christian ought to have no assurance of salvation. Why is that exactly? If a born again individual is imbued with the life of Christ, which cannot sin, how can the promise of salvation possibly be lost? "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed ...[text shortened]... od" (1 John 3:9).
If you would like me to start a new thread to address this, let me know.
20 Well: because of unbelief they were broken off. But you stand by faith. Be not highminded, but fear. 21 For if God has not spared the natural branches, fear lest perhaps also he spare not you. 22 See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards you, the goodness of God, if you abide in goodness. Otherwise you also shall be cut off. Romans 11: 20-22
Originally posted by buckkyYou'll go somewhere to get processed. If you are beyond karma, you may rejoin God in the fifth dimension. Otherwise you will be sent to where your karma dictates. Pretty simple really, and not altogether different from some of the christian ideology on death.
Does anyone out there think that after death you are allowed to talk about why you did or did not do certain things, or is it just an automatic shove towards Heaven or Hell ? I would like to present my case.
Originally posted by Conrau K(1 Corinthians 10:12) . . .Consequently let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall. . .
may be beside the point, but I've always been confused by the Catholic insistence that a Christian ought to have no assurance of salvation. Why is that exactly? If a born again individual is imbued with the life of Christ, which cannot sin, how can the promise of salvation possibly be lost? "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed th, cooperates with grace and avoids evil, that person does have the assurance of salvation.[/b]
Originally posted by Conrau KAnother aside: If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the life of Christ (i.e., the "seed" in 1 John 3:9) is freely given to those who are born again; and to "cut off" (as in Rom. 11:20-22) entails God choosing to take back that seed (i.e. the life of Christ) which was given. Am I correct?
This may be beside the point, but I've always been confused by the Catholic insistence that a Christian ought to have no assurance of salvation. Why is that exactly? If a born again individual is imbued with the life of Christ, which cannot sin, how can the promise of salvation possibly be lost? "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed th, cooperates with grace and avoids evil, that person does have the assurance of salvation.
Originally posted by epiphinehasAnother aside: If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the life of Christ (i.e., the "seed" in 1 John 3:9) is freely given to those who are born again; and to "cut off" (as in Rom. 11:20-22) entails God choosing to take back that seed (i.e. the life of Christ) which was given. Am I correct?
Another aside: If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the life of Christ (i.e., the "seed" in 1 John 3:9) is freely given to those who are born again; and to "cut off" (as in Rom. 11:20-22) entails God choosing to take back that seed (i.e. the life of Christ) which was given. Am I correct?
[b]Because, as we can see from experience, Christ wn by the simple fact that he or she does not or has ceased to practice repentance?[/b]