Originally posted by galveston75Sorry, i don't see that homosexuality is wrong, and i explained to you in a previous post that it isn't 'unnatural'. Homosexuality is widespread in the 'natural' world, so human homosexuality can't be 'unnatural'.
Uhhh yep. But do you not see that they are both wrong and unnatural? Must not.
As for beastiality, i fail to see what relevance it has to this thread.
What rational criteria ( if any ) do any of you use to determine what is “moral” and what is “immoral”?
And if there is no such rational criteria you could use, wouldn’t that mean that all moral claims and beliefs are baseless and totally arbitrary?
Exactly what determines whether or not you agree that something is “moral”?
Can anyone give a specific example of this and explain the whole mental process that goes from the premise to the conclusion that "X is moral"?
For me, these questions don’t complex me because I literally don’t believe there is such thing as “moral” or “immoral” but to the vast majority of you that literally DO believe there is such thing as “moral” or “immoral” I wonder how on earth you could give answers to all the above questions esp. the last one!
-perhaps I should start a new thread about this?
Originally posted by gtbiking4lifeWell, you're not the first to balk at answering difficult questions. Questions that would help you to gain a deeper understanding of your beliefs. Questions that would help you determine whether you actually "follow the teachings of Jesus Christ" or mostly like saying it.
I really do not see anything that says we should not welcome someone who is homosexual into the Church if they choose to attend a meeting. The LDS Church has not made me judge and excommunicator 😛
I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou must be talking about this - I forgot about it so sue me😴
Well, you're not the first to balk at answering difficult questions. Questions that would help you to gain a deeper understanding of your beliefs. Questions that would help you determine whether you actually "follow the teachings of Jesus Christ" or mostly like saying it.
"Is it your belief that the act of homosexuality is a sin even if they are married?"
Yes I believe it is a sin even if they are married.
"If you answer is "yes", can you support that belief via the teachings of Jesus?"
Paul did teach against homosexuality in the NT - I believe it was Romans. I can try and find it if you wish. I can do more searching if Jesus specifically taught this but I still believe Paul though.
"Also are you opposed to the LDS stance against gay rights?"
No - I'm not opposed.
I would still welcome a homosexual though - I don't think there is anything in LDS teachings that says I can't welcome a homosexual. That shouldn't be a problem.
Well I certianly can't teach anyone morals. Either you understand them and get the sense of why they have to exist or you don't.
But it's the disapperance and lack of underestanding them in ones hearts and living by them is the reason the worlds many problems are getting worse as was fortold in the Bible. And it's the reason that God clearly states that as with the flood of Noah, the world is getting to that tipping point again that he will take action to clense it of all evil. Jesus and the apostles speak of that often.
Originally posted by galveston75And 2000 years later nothing has happened. Seems Jesus and his apostles were as paranoid as you.
But it's the disapperance and lack of underestanding them in ones hearts and living by them is the reason the worlds many problems are getting worse as was fortold in the Bible. And it's the reason that God clearly states that as with the flood of Noah, the world is getting to that tipping point again that he will take action to clense it of all evil. Jesus and the apostles speak of that often.
Originally posted by galveston75no you certainly can't. I say that because you fail to understand the one truly moral act that Christ demands of all of his disciples, to love one another as he has loved us...unconditionally. The purpose of Christ was not to add further judgment to the sinner but to offer forgiveness and freedom from the law. Hebrews 10 says that God writes his laws on our hearts and in our minds. It is clear from the context of the passage that our conscience becomes our guide as we are no longer bound by the law. Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
Well I certianly can't teach anyone morals. Either you understand them and get the sense of why they have to exist or you don't.
Originally posted by galveston75corelation doesn't imply causation.
Well I certianly can't teach anyone morals. Either you understand them and get the sense of why they have to exist or you don't.
But it's the disapperance and lack of underestanding them in ones hearts and living by them is the reason the worlds many problems are getting worse as was fortold in the Bible. And it's the reason that God clearly states th ...[text shortened]... at he will take action to clense it of all evil. Jesus and the apostles speak of that often.
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Paul did teach against homosexuality in the NT - I believe it was Romans.
It's Romans 1:26-28 as I indicated above. I don't think Jesus mentions anything about homosexuality though. As a jew it might be that the prohibition on homosexual behaviour was a given, and so not worth mentioning, or it might be that he didn't feel it was important, or on the other hand Christianity itself might be the creation of that genius of religious propaganda, Paul.
Originally posted by Lord Sharkfrom Adam Clarke's commentary:
[b]Paul did teach against homosexuality in the NT - I believe it was Romans.
It's Romans 1:26-28 as I indicated above. I don't think Jesus mentions anything about homosexuality though. As a jew it might be that the prohibition on homosexual behaviour was a given, and so not worth mentioning, or it might be that he didn't feel it was important, or on ...[text shortened]... hand Christianity itself might be the creation of that genius of religious propaganda, Paul.[/b]
Verse 26. For this cause God gave them up, &c.] Their system of idolatry necessarily produced all kinds of impurity. How could it be otherwise, when the highest objects of their worship were adulterers, fornicators, and prostitutes of the most infamous kind, such as Jupiter, Apollo, Mars, Venus, &c.? Of the abominable evils with which the apostle charges the Gentiles in this and the following verse I could produce a multitude of proofs from their own writings; but it is needless to make the subject plainer than the apostle has left it.
Verse 27. Receiving in themselves that recompense, &c.] Both the women and men, by their unnatural prostitutions, enervated their bodies, so that barrenness prevailed, and those disorders which are necessarily attendant on prostitution and sodomitical practices.
its clear Paul was talking about prostitution