1. Standard memberWulebgr
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    31 Oct '05 20:12
    I've asked variations of this question before, and have been ignored. Now you have the entire thread to ignore.

    I've often observed xtians utter statements like, "Luckily my girlfriend told me about Jesus, and now I'm saved." When they bring out "luck" in this manner, are they professing a theology (Luck was a god in some ancient pantheons) that is inherently hostile to the core of their professed beliefs?
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    31 Oct '05 20:15
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    I've asked variations of this question before, and have been ignored. Now you have the entire thread to ignore.

    I've often observed xtians utter statements like, "Luckily my girlfriend told me about Jesus, and now I'm saved." When they bring out "luck" in this manner, are they professing a theology (Luck was a god in some ancient pantheons) that is inherently hostile to the core of their professed beliefs?
    I agree with you and I find I still use that word from time to time,
    when divine providence could be just as useful when we think of
    something occurring with perfect timing.
    Kelly
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    31 Oct '05 20:19
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    divine providence
    A question:

    Is divine providence the same as active intervention?

    thank you
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    31 Oct '05 20:19
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    I've asked variations of this question before, and have been ignored. Now you have the entire thread to ignore.

    I've often observed xtians utter statements like, "Luckily my girlfriend told me about Jesus, and now I'm saved." When they bring out "luck" in this manner, are they professing a theology (Luck was a god in some ancient pantheons) that is inherently hostile to the core of their professed beliefs?
    I think it's similar to when non-believers use "Oh my God" or "Heaven help us." Just part of the practical language.
  5. Standard memberWulebgr
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    31 Oct '05 20:22
    Originally posted by telerion
    I think it's similar to when non-believers use "Oh my God" or "Heaven help us." Just part of the practical language.
    Practical language has deeper implications, unless you believe that George Orwell was spewing feces in 1984 when he accurately predicted the language of Ronald Reagan, naming it doublespeak.
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    31 Oct '05 20:26
    Originally posted by eagles54
    A question:

    Is divine providence the same as active intervention?

    thank you
    I guess I'd have to be a lot more knowledgeable than I am to give
    you a correct answer to that one. In other words, I don’t know! I do
    know that God says He works all things together for the good of those
    that love Him and are called according to His purpose. How that plays
    out in something we’d call lucky or divine providence I’m not sure.
    Kelly
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    31 Oct '05 20:27
    Whether one uses the term secular term "luck" or the theological term "providence" , I think what they have in common is that when used to reference something good happening it is a backward look or hindsight. To me "luck" has a more immediate connotation where "providence" has more to do with an important legacy.
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    31 Oct '05 20:28
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    Practical language has deeper implications, unless you believe that George Orwell was spewing feces in 1984 when he accurately predicted the language of Ronald Reagan, naming it doublespeak.
    Ok, well, I didn't have deeper meanings then. Just a shallow vocabulary. 🙂
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    31 Oct '05 20:31
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    Practical language has deeper implications, unless you believe that George Orwell was spewing feces in 1984 when he accurately predicted the language of Ronald Reagan, naming it doublespeak.
    An aside, you think double speak started with Reagan?
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    31 Oct '05 20:32
    I have the feeling God starting the whole ball rolling, gave us wisdom and compassion as our birthright, and set us on our way to do as we may.

    I don't think there is any such thing as luck or divine intervention of any sort.
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    31 Oct '05 20:37
    Originally posted by eagles54
    I have the feeling God starting the whole ball rolling, gave us wisdom and compassion as our birthright, and set us on our way to do as we may.

    I don't think there is any such thing as luck or divine intervention of any sort.
    I guess that depends on the level of hands off you think God had
    to use to "...set us on our way..." which has some deeper meaning
    too.
    Kelly
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    31 Oct '05 20:381 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    An aside, you think double speak started with Reagan?
    Kelly
    No. He was simply its most effective and powerful practitioner. Indeed, many of his most absurd manifestations became so influential that pinkos like Billy-boy Clinton took them as Gospel Truths. Reagan's famous Welfare Queen is a case in point. Of course, in a certain sense, the Royal family of England lives on a sort of welfare and entitlements, but Reagan was highlighting a poor black woman (and a non-existent one to boot) with his terminology.
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    31 Oct '05 20:431 edit
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    No. He was simply its most effective and powerful practitioner. Indeed, many of his most absurd manifestations became so influential that pinkos like Billy-boy Clinton took them as Gospel Truths. Reagan's famous Welfare Queen is a case in point. Of course, in a certain sense, the Royal family of England lives on a sort of welfare and entitlements, but Reagan was highlighting a poor black woman (and a non-existent one to boot) with his terminology.
    I believe they all do, with intent and without. I think that you and
    I may feel that our two contemporary figures of Reagan and Clinton,
    are or were the best/worse at it. I do believe had we lived with each
    of our forefathers, we may have to acknowledge that there were
    more than a few that could give those two a run for their money,
    or in reality our money as the case maybe. ROFL
    Kelly
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    31 Oct '05 20:48
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I guess that depends on the level of hands off you think God had
    to use to "...set us on our way..." which has some deeper meaning
    too.
    Kelly
    True, good point.

    I think God is going to let us sink or swim on our own accord. All of us in one boat. No exceptions.

    Just my opinion.
  15. Standard memberWulebgr
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    31 Oct '05 21:00
    Originally posted by eagles54
    I think God is going to let us sink or swim on our own accord. All of us in one boat. No exceptions.
    If we're all in one boat, and must sink or swim, I'm presuming that the boat itself is sinking.

    🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
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