Lying for a just cause

FMF

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17 May 19

FMF

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If killing for a just cause can be justified, presumably lying for one is justified too.

What are the moral boundaries of such deceit?

Eladar

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@FMF

I disagree with your if then. Make that if presumably.

divegeester

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17 May 19

@fmf said
If killing for a just cause can be justified, presumably lying for one is justified too.

What are the moral boundaries of such deceit?

Lying for selfish gain is always wrong.

FMF

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17 May 19

@divegeester said
Lying for selfish gain is always wrong.

Lying for the gain of a needy friend would not be 'selfish'; would it always be wrong?

divegeester

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@fmf said
Lying for the gain of a needy friend would not be 'selfish'; would it always be wrong?

I think lying is an insidious habit. It’s a cognitive narcotic which weakens the mind and character and should be avoided as much as is practically possibly.

In answer to your question then, I would say it depends on the circumstances.

Kevin Eleven

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@fmf said
Lying for the gain of a needy friend would not be 'selfish'; would it always be wrong?

A friend in need is a friend in deed, or so the saying goes.

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@caesar-salad

A friend in need is a friend in deed, or so the saying goes.

I thought that was "a friend INDEED."

Ghost of a Duke

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17 May 19

@divegeester said
Lying for selfish gain is always wrong.

How about lying for self-preservation? Or, lying to protect privacy? Or, lying to be kind?

Rajk999

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17 May 19

@ghost-of-a-duke said
How about lying for self-preservation? Or, lying to protect privacy? Or, lying to be kind?

Lies and deceit was actually condoned by Christ in one of his parables - the parable of the unjust steward

ThinkOfOne

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@rajk999 said
Lies and deceit was actually condoned by Christ in one of his parables - the parable of the unjust steward

Actually such an interpretation is contrary to what Jesus had to say elsewhere. For example:

John 8
43“Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45“But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. 46“Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? 47“He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”

You need to rethink your interpretation.

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18 May 19

@sonship said
@caesar-salad

A friend in need is a friend in deed, or so the saying goes.

I thought that was "a friend INDEED."

Yes, I think you have it right. Thank you for the correction.