@philokalia saidOf course. Jesus does not require perfection either. If perfection was required there would be nobody in the Kingdom of God.
It is also the case, though, that we recognize that many of us will sin and will not attain perfection.
For it is said in Romans 3:23:for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
@rajk999 saidI was merely using the "door" as a metaphor for the fact that one cannot enter the Kingdom of God unless Jesus paid a man's sin debt on the cross.
Church gibberish. Jesus said that HE is the one knocking and it is up to people to open the door.
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. (Revelation 3:20 KJV)
Opening the door is an indication that the person has decided to live a life of good works and ...[text shortened]... lood of Christ.
Your church doctrine misleads the ignorant and the gullible, and leads to death.
The "door" to the kingdom of God is the cross of Christ.
Not your works.
@secondson saidIs it automatic?
You are mistaken again.
God's perfect righteousness is required to enter the kingdom of God. It is imputed to the believer through faith in Jesus and His work on the cross. Not by your good works.
@secondson saidThe door to the Kingdom of God is JESUS CHRIST. Your assertion that the door is the cross is idolatry. You are placing inanimate objects and worshiping these things and sidelining the true teachings of Christ.
I was merely using the "door" as a metaphor for the fact that one cannot enter the Kingdom of God unless Jesus paid a man's sin debt on the cross.
The "door" to the kingdom of God is the cross of Christ.
Not your works.
Your church is a failure and will have much to account for on the day of judgment.
@secondson saidYou can never get the truth by cherry picking one verse out of Romans 4. Read on the rest of Romans and indeed all of the writings of the Apostles and you will see that the truth about eternal life in the Kingdom of God for the Christian is as follows :
You are mistaken again.
God's perfect righteousness is required to enter the kingdom of God. It is imputed to the believer through faith in Jesus and His work on the cross. Not by your good works.
1. the believer professes faith in Christ
2. the professed believer is cleansed by the blood of Christ
3. all past sins and failings are removed and a new person in Christ emerges
4. his faith saves him from death nd the righteousness of Christ is imputed to him
5. his faith now IF GENUINE leads on to good works and righteousness
6. his faith if dead leads to nothing ie good works and righteousness and in the end damnation.
Your doctrine has led you to #6, which is clearly condemned by Christ and the Apostles.
@caesar-salad saidWhat is an example of these "forum tactics" you are talking about? What is an example of anyone using these "forum tactics" ~ supposedly mine ~ against me?
So whenever we use your own forum tactics against you, you just see it as us treating you as you would like to be treated, is that right?
@secondson saidIf you mean to say that you do NOT treat people here the way you would like them to treat you, then perhaps say so plainly. I would have thought an online message board provides the ideal "practical reality" in which to apply the spirit of Matthew 7:12.
Idealistically the "golden rule" rings true in ones thoughts, but in practical reality, and in my opinion, man is at his heart selfish and self centered.I would be a hypocrite if I characterized myself as living a life where I would be comfortable saying I do more than try my best.