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    Religious standpoint or otherwise; what's your view of this?
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    07 Jun '12 07:25
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Religious standpoint or otherwise; what's your view of this?
    It's a crock.

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    07 Jun '12 07:261 edit
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    Originally posted by divegeester
    Religious standpoint or otherwise; what's your view of this?
    You call up your chosen model of reality and apply it to the situation. Depending on your choice, it either comes out as a miracle, or as a natural event not in accord with current, provisional scientific theory (all scientific theories being provisional by definition). Of course, this is assuming your assessment doesn't result in declaring it a hoax or false report.
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    07 Jun '12 07:59
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Religious standpoint or otherwise; what's your view of this?
    Anything our relatively primitive brains cannot comprehend is termed a miracle. Everything has a rational, scientific explanation - it's just that we do not have the science yet to explain so called miraculous events.
    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
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    the blind see. the sick are cured, now if they are at a hospital, we praise [and righly] the doctors. So if it happens without any human touch, praise the lord
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    Originally posted by SwissGambit
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    Double post for emphasis ? I agree its a crock .. YES.

    Maybe not 100%. Im sure there are the gifted out there capable of healing people but those are few and far between. Its too easy for scrupulous people to fool the gullible that they are healers.
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    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Double post for emphasis ? I agree its a crock .. YES.

    Maybe not 100%. Im sure there are the gifted out there capable of healing people but those are few and far between. Its too easy for scrupulous people to fool the gullible that they are healers.
    There are healers, but there's no miracle involved. When our understanding of the subtle and powerful nature of the brain improves we will understand how these so called "miracle" cures occur.
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    07 Jun '12 14:321 edit
    Originally posted by stoker
    the blind see. the sick are cured, now if they are at a hospital, we praise [and righly] the doctors. So if it happens without any human touch, praise the lord
    Presumably this is after we have battered Satan for the person's coming to need a miracle "without any human touch." It fulfills a "conservation of cosmic blame" law.

    edit: accountability, not blame.
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    07 Jun '12 14:33
    Originally posted by Pianoman1
    There are healers, but there's no miracle involved. When our understanding of the subtle and powerful nature of the brain improves we will understand how these so called "miracle" cures occur.
    So long as you can "understand" it then it no longer is a miracle?

    Hmm?
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    Originally posted by divegeester
    Religious standpoint or otherwise; what's your view of this?
    Miracle healings happen daily. The only question is, from whence are they healed? In addition, just because we may know the bodily mechnism for such healing, is the very fact that the body has a propensity to heal itself not a miracle?

    No matter the claims of those who say they have been healed by God, whether it be true or false, you will always have doubters.
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    07 Jun '12 14:431 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    So long as you can "understand" it then it no longer is a miracle?

    Hmm?
    Miracle | Define Miracle at Dictionary.com
    dictionary.reference.com/browse/miracle
    noun. 1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

    edit: of course we can debate definitions.
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    Originally posted by whodey
    Miracle healings happen daily. The only question is, from whence are they healed? In addition, just because we may know the bodily mechnism for such healing, is the very fact that the body has a propensity to heal itself not a miracle?

    No matter the claims of those who say they have been healed by God, whether it be true or false, you will always have doubters.
    I think opening the door to miracles leads to the conclusion that everything is a miracle. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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    07 Jun '12 14:54
    Originally posted by JS357
    I think opening the door to miracles leads to the conclusion that everything is a miracle. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
    Now you are getting it!!
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    Originally posted by JS357
    Miracle | Define Miracle at Dictionary.com
    dictionary.reference.com/browse/miracle
    noun. 1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

    edit: of course we can debate definitions.
    Are there no instances where doctors are speechless as to someones recovery? It seems to me that there are. By such a definition then miracles exist.
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