Originally posted by Bosse de NageYou are also assuming things about the Deist god. How did you get that information ? How do you know for instance that our true nature is also god's nature ?
From a Deist perspective, every discovery made by humanity in its bid to uncover the order of the universe arguably would be a message from God. Rather than God prompting and pushing from behind like some sort of commissar, people are impelled toward God through being true to their own nature, which would be also be God's.
Originally posted by Bosse de Nage"Rather than God prompting and pushing from behind like some sort of commissar, .... "
From a Deist perspective, every discovery made by humanity in its bid to uncover the order of the universe arguably would be a message from God. Rather than God prompting and pushing from behind like some sort of commissar, people are impelled toward God through being true to their own nature, which would be also be God's.
How does the God of Abraham do this and when ?
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Originally posted by ivanhoeThank whom?
[b]Gotcha. Yes, I agree that it is a problem with respect to the existence of such a message.
Thank God .... 😉[/b]
Surely you must be aware, hoe-ever, that one point of the missive is simply to present what one Deist may well believe.
Originally posted by ivanhoeSo:
So ?
When the evidence is scant in all directions, you prefer the type of God who micro-manages? I just find it humorous because I think your beliefs are no more warranted than any that I could pull out of my arse and stick in a missive from no known God. It would not even need to be an inspirational missive like the one posted here.
But that's just me, hoe.
Originally posted by LemonJelloLo, my beliefs are not the issue of this thread.
So:
When the evidence is scant in all directions, you prefer the type of God who micro-manages? I just find it humorous because I think your beliefs are no more warranted than any that I could pull out of my arse and stick in a missive from no known God. It would not even need to be an inspirational missive like the one posted here.
But that's just me, hoe.
Maybe you can comment on the questions I raised in this thread concerning the Deist god.
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Originally posted by checkbaiterTell that to the Midianites, the residents of Jericho, the first born in Egypt, etc. etc. etc. etc. Old Testament Monster God is the type of God you would expect a semi-savage group of people to create: one who favors them over everything else in the universe and who acts in a brutal and murderous manner to protect them. The Deist God is the type of God you would expect from Enlightenment thinking based on human reason. Which sounds better to you?
Isa 45:1
1"Thus says the LORD to His anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have held-- to subdue nations before him and loose the armor of kings, to open before him the double doors, so that the gates will not be shut:
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Isa 44:28
28Who says of Cyrus, 'He is My shepherd, and he shall perform all My pleasure, saying to Jerusalem, "You sh ...[text shortened]... shall be laid."'
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It's a good thing that God does intervene in the affairs of men.🙂
Originally posted by no1marauderThe God of the bible.
Tell that to the Midianites, the residents of Jericho, the first born in Egypt, etc. etc. etc. etc. Old Testament Monster God is the type of God you would expect a semi-savage group of people to create: one who favors them over everything else in the universe and who acts in a brutal and murderous manner to protect them. The Deist God is the type of God you would expect from Enlightenment thinking based on human reason. Which sounds better to you?
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Originally posted by checkbaiterHe didn't kill the first born of Egypt?
Because He is not what you claim. He is not a murderer. Have you ever heard of Satan? The Nephelim? The figure of speech called metonomy?
Exodus 12:12 12 For I will go through the land of Egypt in that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am Jehovah.
Originally posted by no1marauderDidn't Pharoah have a choice and a warning to boot?
He didn't kill the first born of Egypt?
Exodus 12:12 12 For I will go through the land of Egypt in that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am Jehovah.
Who is the "angel of death, that did the killing?
Originally posted by checkbaiterDid the first born have a choice?
Didn't Pharoah have a choice and a warning to boot?
Who is the "angel of death, that did the killing?
For I will go through the land of Egypt in that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am Jehovah.
Who will go through the land of Egypt in that night? Are you saying Hitler didn't kill any Jews because he sent his henchmen to do the actual dirty work?