Originally posted by sonship
My comments will be restricted the Bible and [b]Exodus.
"Preceding the 10 plagues God negotiated with Pharoah. "
he actually presented him with an ultimatum. there was no negotiation, just "let my people go"
The first word from Moses and Aaron to Pharoah is recorded in Exodus 5:1
"And afterwards Moses and Aar ...[text shortened]... God of Israel. This shows God's enemies will eventually be conquered in unconditional surrender.
"Let My people go that they may hold a feast to Me in the wilderness."
yes, i was looking for that verse, because i knew you would hit me with it. thanks for finding it.
what is left out is moses and aaron winking and high fiving each other. "yes, pharaoh, we will TOOOOOOTALLY come back to slavery"
"God was pretty lenient for this first request seeing that Pharoah was practicing infanticide against the Israeli boy children"
and then god hardened his heart so that the entire egyptian people may suffer even though pharaoh might have already crapped his thong at the blood in the nile.
" Yes, by the time of the 10th plague Pharaoh and his court were terrorized."
in doesn't take 10 suicide bombings to label a terrorist organization. moses was a terrorist from the moment he attacked civilians and civilian infrastructure.
" You can see Moses and Aaron spoke first of the fear they had that pestilence or sword would fall upon THEMSELVES (Israel)
, the slaves before they mentioned any divine harm directed towards Egypt. "
which was a lie. god wanted the hebrews to go free, not to sacrifice a little in some remote place and then come back into slavery. moses and aaron told this lie just as an idiotic and childish attempt to trick pharaoh. of course they wouldn't have come back, duh.
"The result of these initial negotiations"
there were no negotiations. a negotiation would have been "let me go in place X to give thanks to my god" "how about i allow you give thanks to your god right here?". the hebrews demanded to leave. period. pharaoh said no, because wooohoo, slaves are cheap awesome labor.
after the first plague the pharaoh's free will was taken from him so there REALLY couldn't have been any negotiations.
"Blasphemies will not encourage discussion. This is poisoning the well of conversation. If you want to talk with me about this, you don't need to go out of your way to poison the well."
oh i am sorry, i am curious to hear how you would label a supernatural agent of an omnipotent and omniscient deity who cannot find his way around an ancient city (most likely the hebrews were living in slums anyway). how would you label a postman who doesn't know who lives where? why does the angel of death get special treatment?
"God did NOT give an ultimatum for this first encounter of negotiation. "
when one makes a demand and is unwilling to budge from it, that is consistent with the first half of an ultimatum's definition. you are right though, at first there was no "threat of retaliation" if the demand wasn't met. at no point however was there a negotiation.
"Why don't you spend some time to read Exodus
why don't you substantiate your claims with proof and not demand i read the entire exodus to find a non existent proof for your unfounded claim? supply the verse and i will retract this.
what you quoted has no verse, from the bible I read there is no mention of other nations.
"The salvation was awesome. The Exodus was awesome. The faithfulness of God was awesome."
everything was awesome except for the egyptians who had to bury their children and suffer hunger from the ecological damage left, just so that God could brag about all the awesome magic he inflicted on them.
"You're just dull and see only what you want to see - sympathy for Pharaoh and the Egyptian slave masters of 400 years. "
everyone owned slaves then. so will the hebrews in the future. escaped from slavery, they immediately began owning slaves. also, my sympathy goes to the egyptian people who suffered because god hardened the heart of pharaoh.
"This is ten plagues latter after Moses said "PLEASE"
let Israel go to have a feast to the God of Israel."
"And we will toooootally come back into slavery and have our male babies killed"