Mouths speaking great swelling things

@sonship said
The master wiggler evades yet again.

I haven't wriggled at all.

If you want to ask me "Do you think there is a non-human divine lawgiver?" then just go ahead and do it.

You already know the answer.

If anything it is you who is trying to pass off his wriggling as genuine debate.

@sonship said
Do you think (with or without the existence of humans) there is utimate authority?

The only "authority" that matters to humans is the one that presupposes "the existence of humans". If your question about "authority", in any way, presupposes a universe "without the existence of humans", then you are in counting angels on the head of a pin territory.