1. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    17 Feb '09 20:431 edit
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/buffalo.beheading/index.html

    So ironic, it could be an Onion article:

    The founder of an Islamic television station in upstate New York aimed at countering Muslim stereotypes has confessed to beheading his wife, authorities said.


    Islam is a scourge.
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    17 Feb '09 20:59
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/buffalo.beheading/index.html

    So ironic, it could be an Onion article:

    The founder of an Islamic television station in upstate New York aimed at countering Muslim stereotypes has confessed to beheading his wife, authorities said.


    Islam is a scourge.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs

    Mormons are a scourge.

    http://www.countercurrents.org/hr-rose170504.htm

    Christian-Americans are a scourge.

    Whee. Everyone play the 'scourge' game.
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    17 Feb '09 21:04
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit_double_murder_and_suicide

    Christian-Canadians are a scourge.
  4. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    17 Feb '09 21:18
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Everyone play the 'scourge' game.
    It's all fun and games until somebody loses a head.
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    17 Feb '09 22:35
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    It's all fun and games until somebody loses a head.
    And then it's just hilarious!
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    18 Feb '09 06:30
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs

    Mormons are a scourge.

    http://www.countercurrents.org/hr-rose170504.htm

    Christian-Americans are a scourge.

    Whee. Everyone play the 'scourge' game.
    Why are you trying to be an Islamist apologist?
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    18 Feb '09 06:46
    Originally posted by dystoniac
    Why are you trying to be an Islamist apologist?
    I'm not.

    You're one of those 'for us, or against us' types, aren't you?
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    18 Feb '09 07:10
    Originally posted by dystoniac
    Why are you trying to be an Islamist apologist?
    Nobody needs to apologize on behalf of Islam until someone shows that Islam is responsible for the case in question.
    SwissGambit has made it clear that it is ridiculous to claim that the actions of individuals are necessarily a reason to call thier religion or group they belong to a scourge.
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    18 Feb '09 07:15
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    I'm not.

    You're one of those 'for us, or against us' types, aren't you?
    And you are one of those 'all religions are evil' type people, no?
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    18 Feb '09 07:17
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Nobody needs to apologize on behalf of Islam until someone shows that Islam is responsible for the case in question.
    SwissGambit has made it clear that it is ridiculous to claim that the actions of individuals are necessarily a reason to call thier religion or group they belong to a scourge.
    Uh...I believe the facts speak for themselves whether or not this was an honor killing, which many Muslims believe is mandated by Allah.
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    18 Feb '09 08:48
    Originally posted by dystoniac
    Uh...I believe the facts speak for themselves whether or not this was an honor killing, which many Muslims believe is mandated by Allah.
    No the facts do not speak for themselves. I went and read the article and there is no evidence whatsoever that it was an honor killing or had anything to do with Islam. So either present more facts or admit that you are wrong.
    Can you also tell me under what circumstances some Muslims believe an honor killing is mandated by Allah and present some evidence of this? The article only mentions that his wife asked for a divorce (which I believe is more acceptable in Islam than it is in Christianity) and it also mentions that he has been married before. Did he 'honor kill' his previous wife too?
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    18 Feb '09 09:05
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    No the facts do not speak for themselves. I went and read the article and there is no evidence whatsoever that it was an honor killing or had anything to do with Islam. So either present more facts or admit that you are wrong.
    Can you also tell me under what circumstances some Muslims believe an honor killing is mandated by Allah and present some evidenc ...[text shortened]... d it also mentions that he has been married before. Did he 'honor kill' his previous wife too?
    Considering how Dr Scribbles has changed the wording of the article title and also selectively edited the portion of text he presents as a quote, both changes presumably in line with his (presumably) preconceived conclusions, would you call him a deliberate liar?
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    18 Feb '09 09:461 edit
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Considering how Dr Scribbles has changed the wording of the article title and also selectively edited the portion of text he presents as a quote, both changes presumably in line with his (presumably) preconceived conclusions, would you call him a deliberate liar?
    He like any artist is entitled to represent his point of view, whether this takes creative editing or otherwise, infact, every article ever published reflects someones perspective, why should he be chastised for simply representing a different perspective? in fact news items themselves are subject to the same type of editing on a daily basis!

    http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/
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    18 Feb '09 11:31
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    He like any artist is entitled to represent his point of view, whether this takes creative editing or otherwise, infact, every article ever published reflects someones perspective, why should he be chastised for simply representing a different perspective? in fact news items themselves are subject to the same type of editing on a daily basis!

    http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/
    And any such editing that deliberately inserts a persons point of view whilst presenting it as factual reporting is lying. Yes it is common place in the media, but that in no way justifies it nor makes it any less of a lie. I suppose they simply agree with Rajk999 that lying is a minor evil and thus is justifiable when trying to criticize what he perceives as greater evils. One wonders though why lying is necessary. If the evil is truly great, the truth should suffice.
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    18 Feb '09 12:191 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    And any such editing that deliberately inserts a persons point of view whilst presenting it as factual reporting is lying. Yes it is common place in the media, but that in no way justifies it nor makes it any less of a lie. I suppose they simply agree with Rajk999 that lying is a minor evil and thus is justifiable when trying to criticize what he perceive ...[text shortened]... One wonders though why lying is necessary. If the evil is truly great, the truth should suffice.
    was the man a Muslim? did he behead his wife? is this not a reprehensible act? should one not call into question the validity of a religious stance which allows such? well then, what are you talking about? this is not a lie, the most that you can whinge and cry about is that its misrepresentation, nothing more, and even then you have very shaky grounds for Doctor Scribbles may state that he was merely presenting a different point of view.

    I do not agree nor condone lying, i am a Christian, Christ stood for truth, never uttered a lie, and is my hero because of it!
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