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Originally posted by FMF
So to your Christian way of thinking, marriage vows allow a man to force his wife to have sex at times when she doesn't want have sex? This is a Christian perspective?

It appears to me to mean that couples are willing to forego their personal preferences and put the interests of their partner ahead of their own. That's what it appears to mean to me, repeated now for the second time due to a rather stupid attempt to blatantly misconstrue the intent. Please i have a low enough opinion of you already without you making it worse

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It appears to me to mean that couples are willing to forego their personal preferences and put the interests of their partner ahead of their own. That's what it appears to mean to me.

I see, so Christian marriage vows allow a man to forcibly have sex with his spouse against her will. This is what you are saying?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
thank you but really i am not interested in your sex life of what you do or do not do.

Well, I am not a rapist. Not by your definition and not by mine and Proper Knob's. I would define marital rape as being a crime where a woman is forced by her husband to submit to sexual intercourse against her will. I have never committed marital rape against my wife.

Now, I know you are denying there is any such thing as marital rape, I understand that, but you also understand Proper Knob's perception of rape and mine too. Have you ever had sex with your wife in circumstances that Proper Knob and I might deem to have been rape, even if (by your definition) it was not rape?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
[b]It appears to me to mean that couples are willing to forego their personal preferences and put the interests of their partner ahead of their own. [/b]

So why does this not apply to men who want sex? Why shouldn't they be willing to forego their personal preference and put the interests of their wives ahead of their own?

Originally posted by FMF
Do you think marriage vows should entitle a man to force his wife to have sex when she does not feel like it?

It appears to me to mean that couples are willing to forego their personal preferences and put the interests of their partner ahead of their own. That's what it appears to mean to me. repeated now for the third time.

Please try to refrain from loading your question, you are not very clever and rather plastic and transparent to be honest. all future attempt to impute motives , values or misconstrue the original intent will be ignored.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Please i have a low enough opinion of you already without you making it worse

Shouldn't sexual intercourse occur when both partners are willing and want it?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Please try to refrain from loading your question, you are not very clever and rather plastic and transparent to be honest. all future attempt to impute motives , values or misconstrue the original intent will be ignored.

But your entire - and seemingly only point - appears to be that marriage vows entitle a man to force his wife to have sex even when she does not feel like it. Clarify if needs be.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It appears to me to mean that couples are willing to forego their personal preferences and put the interests of their partner ahead of their own.

So why does this not apply to men who want sex at times when their wives don't? Surely morally sound sex is engaged in only when both partners want it and not when only one partner wants it?

Originally posted by FMF
Shouldn't sexual intercourse occur when both partners are willing and want it?

How this is possible between a couple who have willingly yielded authority over their own bodies to their partners I cannot say, it appears to me that your emphasis is once again on self rather than on that of the other person. I suspect that many a christian has willingly foregone a personal preference for that of their partners, its what Christianity is all about, self sacrifice and putting other people ahead of oneself.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I see, so Christian marriage vows allow a man to forcibly have sex with his spouse against her will. This is what you are saying?

Bump for Robert -

I see, so Christian marriage vows allow a man to forcibly have sex with his spouse against her will. This is what you are saying?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
How this is possible between a couple who have willingly yielded authority over their own bodies to their partners I cannot say, it appears to me that your emphasis is once again on self rather than on that of the other person.

You're asking me how is it possible for someone to be unwilling to have sex at a given moment? Are you being serious?

Originally posted by FMF
So why does this not apply to men who want sex at times when their wives don't? Surely morally sound sex is engaged in only when both partners want it and not when only one partner wants it?

I am finding your incessant questions once again rather tedious and knowing as i do that you are not mannerly enough to desist i am taking my leave at present. I note that you have failed to answer why if consent has been given it can be construed as rape and have failed to understand the real import of the christian principle to yield authority over ones body and put the interests of ones partner ahead of oneself.

Christianity in this regard is truly beautiful and vastly superior to ideas with emphasis on the self and self gratification.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Bump for Robert -

I see, so Christian marriage vows allow a man to forcibly have sex with his spouse against her will. This is what you are saying?

Another transparent loaded question, try free bird seed noobster or rolling boulders down ravines, I'm good and I'm gone.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I suspect that many a christian has willingly foregone a personal preference for that of their partners, its what Christianity is all about, self sacrifice and putting other people ahead of oneself.

I would have thought that "putting other people ahead of oneself" in matters of sex would be not having sex when only one partner wanted it. Are you saying that "putting other people ahead of oneself", in Christian terms, means a woman submitting to her husband's demand for sex when she doesn't want it. Surely psychologically healthy, morally sound, Christian sex only takes place when both partners want it and not when one is having to submit to the other against their will?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Another transparent loaded question, try free bird seed noobster or rolling boulders down ravines, I'm good and I'm gone.

So, you don't want to discuss what Christian marriage vows allow a man to do to his wife, in your view, is that it?