13 Mar 06
By JOHN M. BRODER
LOS ANGELES, March 10
Three weeks ago, Dr. Wafa Sultan was a largely unknown Syrian-American psychiatrist living outside Los Angeles, nursing a deep anger and despair about her fellow Muslims.
Today, thanks to an unusually blunt and provocative interview on Al Jazeera television on Feb. 21, she is an international sensation, hailed as a fresh voice of reason by some, and by others as a heretic and infidel who deserves to die.
She said her life changed in 1979 when she was a medical student at the University of Aleppo, in northern Syria. At that time the radical Muslim Brotherhood was using terrorism to try to undermine the government of President Hafez al-Assad. Gunmen of the Muslim Brotherhood burst into a classroom at the university and killed her professor as she watched.
"They shot hundreds of bullets into him, shouting, 'God is great!' " she said. "At that point, I lost my trust in their god and began to question all our teachings.
See the video here,
http://tinyurl.com/ze772
13 Mar 06
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveThis type of examples are only propaganda.
By JOHN M. BRODER
LOS ANGELES, March 10
Three weeks ago, Dr. Wafa Sultan was a largely unknown Syrian-American psychiatrist living outside Los Angeles, nursing a deep anger and despair about her fellow Muslims.
Today, thanks to an unusually blunt and provocative interview on Al Jazeera television on Feb. 21, she is an international sensation, ha ...[text shortened]... nd began to question all our teachings.
See the video here,
http://tinyurl.com/ze772
Should this change your opinion on the subject? Did it? Such "examples" are not positive because they can be produced quite easily by both sides and they use emotional appeal instead of reasoned argument.
"nursing a deep anger and despair about her fellow Muslims"
"hailed as a fresh voice of reason by some, and by others as a heretic and infidel who deserves to die."
This type of language shows that such examples are weapons to use to prove one's point. That the Gunmen of the Muslim Brotherhood are terrorists and murderers, I'm willing to accept if the facts are true. But the generalisation to Muslims and their teaching is focused because it has appeal to some media.
13 Mar 06
Originally posted by PalynkaI thought she was speaking out against the many violent factions in Islam. I didn't read her statement as an indictment against the all Muslims.
This type of examples are only propaganda.
Should this change your opinion on the subject? Did it? Such "examples" are not positive because they can be produced quite easily by both sides and they use emotional appeal instead of reasoned argument.
"nursing a deep anger and despair about her fellow Muslims"
"hailed as a fresh voice of reason by some, a ...[text shortened]... ralisation to Muslims and their teaching is focused because it has appeal to some media.
13 Mar 06
Originally posted by telerionWell...have you read the whole interview?
I thought she was speaking out against the many violent factions in Islam. I didn't read her statement as an indictment against the all Muslims.
I found it here:
http://www.north-of-africa.com/article.php3?id_article=225
" Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. "
"It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality.[...]
Host: "I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?"
Wafa Sultan: "Yes, that is what I mean."
"
13 Mar 06
Originally posted by PalynkaGuilty as charged.
Well...have you read the whole interview?
I found it here:
http://www.north-of-africa.com/article.php3?id_article=225
" Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. "
"It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle ...[text shortened]... rdness and ignorance of the Muslims?"
Wafa Sultan: "Yes, that is what I mean."
"
Forget what I wrote earlier.
13 Mar 06
Originally posted by PalynkaThe lady seems to have come to the right conclusion regarding the clash of cultures.
Well...have you read the whole interview?
I found it here:
http://www.north-of-africa.com/article.php3?id_article=225
" Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. "
"It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle ...[text shortened]... rdness and ignorance of the Muslims?"
Wafa Sultan: "Yes, that is what I mean."
"
13 Mar 06
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveIt seems like the lady in question is a "sister in arms" of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, yet another secular liberal fundamentalist.
By JOHN M. BRODER
LOS ANGELES, March 10
Three weeks ago, Dr. Wafa Sultan was a largely unknown Syrian-American psychiatrist living outside Los Angeles, nursing a deep anger and despair about her fellow Muslims.
Today, thanks to an unusually blunt and provocative interview on Al Jazeera television on Feb. 21, she is an international sensation, ha ...[text shortened]... nd began to question all our teachings.
See the video here,
http://tinyurl.com/ze772
14 Mar 06
Originally posted by PalynkaI'm pretty sure there's been a few other churches burnt down in the past, and there's been one or two non-muslims that might've killed some people, and I think a few embassies might've been destroyed than just by muslims.
Well...have you read the whole interview?
I found it here:
http://www.north-of-africa.com/article.php3?id_article=225
" Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. "
"It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle ...[text shortened]... rdness and ignorance of the Muslims?"
Wafa Sultan: "Yes, that is what I mean."
"
This schism, this 'war' is not between islam and the west - how could it be when islam is quite capable of operating within western society in many countries without such violence. I think it's a clash between modern and conservative values - Karen Armstrong in her book 'The Battle for God' paints a nice portrait of this 'war' and how it's been raging for some centuries between the modernising, secular forces of Christianity, Judaism and Islam and between the Conservative, 'back to the past' forces of Christianity, Judaism and Islam - yes that's right all three monotheistic religions have their violent zealots, and all three have their liberals.
Let's not taint an entire culture or belief system on the fanaticism of a few ....
14 Mar 06
Originally posted by amannionAs far as I know they rarely, if ever, kill and blow up churches in the name of their religion though, do they?
I'm pretty sure there's been a few other churches burnt down in the past, and there's been one or two non-muslims that might've killed some people, and I think a few embassies might've been destroyed than just by muslims.
And if a Christian/Jew/Other did so wouldn't they be castigated by their leaders and not hailed as martyrs?
nb. not referring to hundreds of years ago.
15 Mar 06
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveNo, can't think of any Christian or Jewish churches burnt down here in Australia, you're right.
As far as I know they rarely, if ever, kill and blow up churches in the name of their religion though, do they?
And if a Christian/Jew/Other did so wouldn't they be castigated by their leaders and not hailed as martyrs?
nb. not referring to hundreds of years ago.
But wait .... come to think of it, no Muslim churches have been burnt down either. What's going on - could it be that I live in a tolerant society where everyone can have their say (and does) without fear of persecution? Could it be that Australian Muslims (as well as all their religious brethren) aren't suicidal maniacs?
Surely not.
Or maybe, just maybe, there's a whole world out there - with radicals on every side. I do recall a few radical Jewish extremists taking a few potshots at muslims. I recall a certain Timothy McVeigh spouting some extreme Christian philosophies - and blowing up a couple of hundred US citizens.