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    18 Oct '18 03:03
    Nature and god

    Author :Chang Kai-Chi 張開基

    1. If "God" was created from nature, same as all things in the world, including human beings, then "God" is still incompetent? Then everything in nature must not be created by "God" including life—then logically, "God" should have life limitation. There is no way to live forever even though He might be low-energy consumption and omnipotent. Then the assumption about everlasting God is basically insustained and the "monotheism" is also questionable.

    2. If all things in heaven and earth, including humans and other creatures are all created by "God"—per existing explorations: a galaxy has 100 billion stars and 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. So, is there any life in the other 100 billion X 100 billion stars? Is it as lively and crowded as the Earth? If this is the case and it is also created by "God", then why is "God" alone special about Earth humans?

    Including human beings to abide by His commandments: such as flooding to destroy all living things? And want humanity to serve Him cautiously and fear about Him? Does "God" demand so many different lives on all the planets he created? If so, what is the purpose of serving Him in fear of Him? What benefits or effects does this have for him?

    If "God" is truly omnipotent, everything should be perfect creations. Of course, there is no need for incompetent humans or other life to serve, and He can destroy the world within a blink. At least the human beings do not need any reason. Fear has controlled over the human then why bother to address it again and again?

    If only human beings are unique in the whole universe, the earth is so tiny like "dust". Why does the omniscient God created such a pitiful life? And still care about these trivial minor things? Do you believe in Him? Have you been careful to serve Him? Is there a sincere fear of Him?

    Why can't "God" create a larger life form? Or can the power of "God" actually create such a tiny life? And it’s not yet in full control, so will you repeat these trivial little things to fear him?

    For humans, observe our own "creatives" such as pets within visible range, raising ants, bees, cultivate bacteria or viral viruses---at least they could be observed under microscope. Even strains of new viruses, they may be destroyed if necessary, but how to expect these bacteria or viruses to "serve" and "awe" Himself?

    Between 500 to 2000 years ago a, it was still in the cognitive era of the Earth as the center of the universe. The concept about earth was the largest, bigger than the sun, the moon and other stars, all the celestial bodies were rotating around the earth. Therefore, the Earth human being was the only wise creature created by "God" to "deliver the will of God." For example, if we are beekeepers, we have a box of bees to make them work for us (collecting honey). Of course we will hope that they will serve and fear us. Creatures will have no objection to hard work and will not escape from the mutiny, not fly to other places to help others work, etc. However, the condition must be that these beehives are as close as possible to the side, and must be within the scope of our vision and care; it is impossible for people to be in Taipei, all beehives are randomly placed in the remote countryside of Pingtung, usually it is rare to take care of it once.

    Well, now, we now know that the earth is not the center of the universe, the sun is bigger than the earth, the Milky Way is bigger, and the entire known universe is even bigger and unimaginable. In contrast, the earth is small and far away, leave it so far then raise such a trivial little thing? Is it reasonable to let such a tiny creatures serve and fear about God?

    If all things in heaven and earth and all life including human beings are created by "God", why are there so many natural disasters on Earth? And beekeeper will be be stupid trying to raise the beehive near the sulfur spring in Beitou’s Hell Valley? Why do people want to serve Him to fear Him, and why is the omnipotent "God" creating such a violent Earth? Why did the 311 earthquake and tsunami in Japan happen? Is "God" beginning to punish humans again? If not, why can't we stop or even eliminate such a disaster? If human beings are all destroyed by natural disasters in the global environment, how can they serve and fear God?

    3. What is the relationship between the God and Mother of Nature? Like the universe we live in, is He the other big universe? At least these two universes are equal or similar, so why do He like to ask us about a negligible galaxy in the universe, one of which is insignificant in the solar system; one of the insignificant earths, a group of insignificant tiny creatures, and repeated requests These insignificant little human must believe in Him, must fear Him, and must serve Him?

    4. Regarding the third point, "God" is very sincere? Or just as a kind of "breeding" for a while. If it is serious, the pattern of this "God" is narrow minded? Why there is such a little sway and storm on the earth, why can't God stop it? Or in his eyes, these little things are not painful, but if it is so, why? Do you care if humans fear Him? Is there a faith in serving Him? Do you worship idols, do you obey the commandments?

    5. The same is true about the third point; if "God" and "Nature" are parallel and have nothing to do with the universe then everything on Earth is not created by Him. What power does He have to request human to serve Him with caution and fear?

    However, there is fact; since the earth has been human, there has never been a time when everyone has heard "God" at the same time; it is said that only a single-digit individual has been heard. If God is very concerned about these trivial little things on earth, do you believe in Him? Serve Him with caution and fear Him? Why not announce it in public?

    If we are the commander of the recruiting training center, we hope that all the recruits can obey orders then of all the recruits can understand the meaning of the various orders, obedient and well-behaved rewards. Disobedience or inadvertently will be punished. So all orders and rules should be announced in public. How can these announcements be mysterious and only one of the recruits got informed then conveyed to many other recruits?

    6. Since "God" cares so much about whether human beings on earth believe in Him devoutly, why not first implement such an "unconditional obedience command" when creating human beings? If you care about those and care about the power of destruction, then why not target a mass extinction for all atheists, and those disobedient humans who believe in pagan gods and even worship idols? So not all human beings in the world will fully obey His commandments and obey His demands?

    Since it is omnipotent, why can't He publicly announce these requirements to the human beings of the earth? Why do you have to work hard to convey this message of hope through the "prophet" again and again? It has been ineffective for thousands of years and the "prophet" assigned was often killed, why must we use such an inefficient method?

    Please refresh the discussions as follows:

    1. "God" created everything in the universe, especially life and humans on earth?

    2. "God" is also a natural product?

    3. "God" is another parallel universe.

    4. Any other possibilities? ? ?

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  2. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    18 Oct '18 06:58
    @wsay123000

    Yo!!

    Did you read my other questions in your other thread?

    I'm not reading this long op unless you reply
  3. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    18 Oct '18 06:58
    @wsay123000 said
    Nature and god

    Author :Chang Kai-Chi 張開基

    1. If "God" was created from nature, same as all things in the world, including human beings, then "God" is still incompetent? Then everything in nature must not be created by "God" including life—then logically, "God" should have life limitation. There is no way to live forever even though He might be low-energy consumption a ...[text shortened]... universe.

    4. Any other possibilities? ? ?

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    directed panspermia
  4. Donationrwingett
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    18 Oct '18 16:55
    4. Any other possibilities? ? ?
    God and nature are two words for the same thing. They are identical in every respect.
  5. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    19 Oct '18 00:00
    @rwingett said
    God and nature are two words for the same thing. They are identical in every respect.
    they are spelt differently ...
  6. Donationrwingett
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    19 Oct '18 00:48
    @karoly-aczel said
    they are spelt differently ...
    😴
  7. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    19 Oct '18 03:12
    @rwingett said
    😴
    God is a belief system.
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