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    30 Dec '11 12:14
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Of that you are wrong. You're just indoctrinated to believe that. By whom? Satan?
    Did not Jesus state that we are created?
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    30 Dec '11 12:161 edit
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Of that you are wrong. You're just indoctrinated to believe that. By whom? Satan?
    I guess that depends on what arm of "christianity" you look at. Mainstream Christianity holds to creation; creation is Biblical it's in both the old and new testaments.
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    30 Dec '11 12:17
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Did not Jesus state that we are created?
    Yes, and He was the God that did it.
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    30 Dec '11 12:18
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Yes, and He was the God that did it.
    *popcorn out*
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    30 Dec '11 12:26
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Yes, and He was the God that did it.
    we are not interested in your portrayal of non scriptural elements and this is no place
    to post your Neoplatonic metaphysical concepts masquerading as Biblical truth!
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    30 Dec '11 12:27
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    sooo Christ taught creation, it is therefore wholly logical that a Christian should also
    embrace the teaching of the one who taught him, or call himself something else, is it
    not the case.
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    30 Dec '11 12:28
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Did not Jesus state that we are created?
    Please give me a proof that Jesus said that.

    (This can turn up into an interesting debate between you and me, Robbie! I look forward to it! [no irony])
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    30 Dec '11 12:31
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    we are not interested in your portrayal of non scriptural elements and this is no place
    to post your Neoplatonic metaphysical concepts masquerading as Biblical truth!
    You got him good with that one.

    "neoplatonic metaphysics" eh...
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    30 Dec '11 12:311 edit
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Please give me a proof that Jesus said that.

    (This can turn up into an interesting debate between you and me, Robbie! I look forward to it! [no irony])
    (Matthew 19:4-5) . . .In reply he said: “Did you not read that he who created them
    from [the] beginning made them male and female and said, ‘For this reason a man will
    leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’?

    A direct quotation from,

    (Genesis 5:1-2) . . .This is the book of Adam’s history. In the day of God’s creating
    Adam he made him in the likeness of God. Male and female he created them. After
    that he blessed them and called their name Man in the day of their being created.
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    30 Dec '11 12:32
    Originally posted by divegeester
    You got him good with that one.

    "neoplatonic metaphysics" eh...
    he knows its true, he just cannot bring himself to admit it!
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    30 Dec '11 12:36
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    (Matthew 19:4-5) . . .In reply he said: “Did you not read that he who created them
    from [the] beginning made them male and female and said, ‘For this reason a man will
    leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’?
    Are we really sure that Christ said that? We know incredibly little about the life of Jesus from souces from the same time. What we think we know is written down 50 years and more, not by eye witnesses, but others heard by others. To quote Jesus is to quote a hearsay only.

    But it is likely that Jesus had this opinion, as others had other opinions. But he had just been taught to think this. It is not a proof that Jesus was right, as it is not the contrary either. We just don't know anything, more than hearsay.
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