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Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenIt's amazing how obtuse you are. Your god has just existed forever? Tell me where he came from. Don't tell me he's been here forever, that's a cop out. You cannot simply say he has been in the universe for eternity with no explanation of what produced him.
my answer to where the universe came from is simply that there was a creator. Our universe and everything we know was created by God. Thus, since He created our universe the question about "what created him" is meaningless as He is the creator. Your explanation is there was no creator but you have no answer then for where the universe came from. You answer it with a question to which I have answered. You simply have no answer.
If your god can be uncaused entity, then so could the universe itself. There are perfectly good naturalistic theories about where the universe came from without having to resort to a supernatural cause. Just because you refuse to acknowledge them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Originally posted by no1marauderI have answered that, none of you can substantiate your beliefs. You simple answer with a question about where my creator came from. The universe has a creator otherwise there would be no universe. When i speak of God there is no creator needed for Him as he is God, he always was and will be. That is my answer. You guys want to try and give your answer as to where the universe came from or are you going to keep avoiding the answer you don't have?
And you have no answer to the question where did God come from. So you've only kicked the can down the road.
Originally posted by rwingettwhy don't you try to show some intellect and enlighten me with a theory on where the initial matter came from.
It's amazing how obtuse you are. Your god has just existed forever? Tell me where he came from. Don't tell me he's been here forever, that's a cop out. You cannot simply say he has been in the universe for eternity with no explanation of what produced him.
If your god can be uncaused entity, then so could the universe itself. There are perfectly good nat ...[text shortened]... rnatural cause. Just because you refuse to acknowledge them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenI already answered your question several times. Learn how to read something besides Genesis.
I have answered that, none of you can substantiate your beliefs. You simple answer with a question about where my creator came from. The universe has a creator otherwise there would be no universe. When i speak of God there is no creator needed for Him as he is God, he always was and will be. That is my answer. You guys want to try and give you ...[text shortened]... as to where the universe came from or are you going to keep avoiding the answer you don't have?
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Originally posted by rwingettLol, the proper response for you I guess. No answer, no clue, just refer to wiki for all your knowledge. I'm not even debating the big bang you pathetic neanderthal, I'm debating where you say the matter used in the big bang came from, or do you think it spontaneously appeared?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_cosmology
Knock yourself out.
This is a great example of the kind of people that debate on rhp, know nothing momos who give you a link (stating another person's opinions) to use as their debate. No original thoughts of their own, just constantly regurgitating other people's beliefs.
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenThis post is rich in irony.
Lol, the proper response for you I guess. No answer, no clue, just refer to wiki for all your knowledge. I'm not even debating the big bang you pathetic neanderthal, I'm debating where you say the matter used in the big bang came from, or do you think it spontaneously appeared?
This is a great example of the kind of people that debate on rhp, kn ...[text shortened]... e. No original thoughts of their own, just constantly regurgitating other people's beliefs.
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenOf course you can't be bothered to do any reading on your own. You're pathetic. I'm done wasting my time with you. Wallow in ignorance for all eternity if you want.
Lol, the proper response for you I guess. No answer, no clue, just refer to wiki for all your knowledge. I'm not even debating the big bang you pathetic neanderthal, I'm debating where you say the matter used in the big bang came from, or do you think it spontaneously appeared?
This is a great example of the kind of people that debate on rhp, kn ...[text shortened]... e. No original thoughts of their own, just constantly regurgitating other people's beliefs.
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenI think you're a complete moron and you keep proving it. I REPEATED this several pages ago:
you really think a lot of yourself don't you? Thanks, though, for not answering again. I'll take that as vindication. You have to be the worst debater on rhp.
What part of this can't you grasp?
The universe is a manifestion of the Eternal Consciousness.
Arguments to popularity are fallacious. However, it's worth stating that the belief that the universe and all in it are one is a part of Hindu, Buddhist and Taoist belief systems all of which pre-date Christianity by many hundreds of years and hundreds of millions of people still adhere to these beliefs. That you are appalling ignorant of this fact is unsurprising; the theists on this board (with a few exceptions) are complete bumpkins when it comes to knowledge of virtually anything - but their lack of familiarity with other philosophical and religious systems of thought are truly stunning.
Originally posted by Zander 88Fair enough, simply being a creationist site should not instantly condem it to ridicle and I did not go through the entire site. I do admit to making broad judgements when I see that a site has a given angle: atheist sites tend to get my trust while theist sites get my distrust. I think this behaviour is probably normal human nature and difficult to stop, even when you see it in yourself.
Yeah, I was looking it through it more and it is a creationist site, but that is ok. I saw some valid questions and arguments.
So in the interests of fairness, what were the valid questions and arguments that you saw? Maybe there's something new...
--- Penguin.
Originally posted by no1marauderThe universe is a manifestion of the Eternal Consciousness.
I think you're a complete moron and you keep proving it. I REPEATED this several pages ago:
What part of this can't you grasp?
[b]The universe is a manifestion of the Eternal Consciousness.
Arguments to popularity are fallacious. However, it's worth stating that the belief that the universe and all in it are one is a part of Hindu, Buddhis ...[text shortened]... of familiarity with other philosophical and religious systems of thought are truly stunning.[/b]
Do you even know what that means, or are you simply cutting & pasting?
Nobody takes T.H. Green seriously, but I guess you and 9 other people. But the millions that believe in a God are all wrong, huh?
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenI have no idea who T.H. Green is.
The universe is a manifestion of the Eternal Consciousness.
Do you even know what that means, or are you simply cutting & pasting?
Nobody takes T.H. Green seriously, but I guess you and 9 other people. But the millions that believe in a God are all wrong, huh?
Try reading the post, idiot. The Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist views long predate your silly Super Duper Monster God. And yes people who believe in such a God, almost always because somebody else told them to, are almost certainly wrong though most aren't as stupid as you.
Originally posted by rwingetttry to develop a thought of your own for once, or don't bother trying to debate. You're a waste of time to point to link that I've already read. Also, links that did not even address the questions raised. Your debating skills reveal your ignorance.
Of course you can't be bothered to do any reading on your own. You're pathetic. I'm done wasting my time with you. Wallow in ignorance for all eternity if you want.