Nobody can make you do anything.

Nobody can make you do something.

Can nobody make you do nothing?

-m.

Originally posted by mikelom
Nobody can make you do something.

Can nobody make you do nothing?

-m.

I think the "can make" part of your thought experiment is the solution to your non-problem.

Double negatives are a no no!

Originally posted by mikelom
Nobody can make you do something.

Can nobody make you do nothing?

-m.

no

Originally posted by mikelom
Nobody can make you do something.

Can nobody make you do nothing?

-m.

How does one do nothing, while being?

And if one is not being, who is doing nothing?

Originally posted by mikelom
Nobody can make you do something.

Of course they can. They do it all the time.

Originally posted by mikelom
Nobody can make you do something.

Can nobody make you do nothing?

-m.

Yes

Originally posted by twhitehead
Of course they can. They do it all the time.

Example, please?

Originally posted by mikelom
Example, please?

I just made you reply to my post.

You can claim that when someone makes you to do something, you always have other options (usually less desirable), but surely if you do something because someone wants you to and the alternative is less desirable, then they have made you do it?

If I make my son clean his room, he could presumably choose to not do it, but the consequences would be undesirable.
Similarly I could say society, convention, and common sense, make me drive on the left hand side of the road. Driving on the right hand side (in this country) would get me in trouble (probably either arrested or killed).

Originally posted by twhitehead
I just made you reply to my post.

You can claim that when someone makes you to do something, you always have other options (usually less desirable), but surely if you do something because someone wants you to and the alternative is less desirable, then they have made you do it?

If I make my son clean his room, he could presumably choose to not do it ...[text shortened]... right hand side (in this country) would get me in trouble (probably either arrested or killed).

? You didn't MAKE me reply to your post, at all. It was my free will to ask you a question.

You say you are made to drive on the left. Not at all, you choose to conform. Nobody actually MAKES you drive on the left. Conforming makes sense in the most part, but it isn't a thing that MAKES you do something, as it is still a free will choice.

You can't MAKE your son clean his room. He may conform to please YOU, but he may also have the free will choice to flatly refuse, even if you do punish him.

I maintain nobody can make you DO ANYTHING.

-m.

Edit: And there is a big difference between influencing to, persuading to, and MAKING do. 😉

Originally posted by mikelom
Edit: And there is a big difference between influencing to, persuading to, and MAKING do. 😉

Care to explain what that is?

What is MAKING do? If I hold a gun to your head and say "do this" and you do it, were you not made to do it? Were you only influenced or persuaded?