1. Donationrwingett
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    09 Oct '12 12:56
    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/survey-one-in-five-americans-is-religiously-unaffiliated/?hpt=hp_c2

    One in five Americans has no religion, up 25% from five years ago. They certainly don't all identify as being atheist, or agnostic, but more and more people are doing jut that.

    Demographically, the growth among the religiously unaffiliated has been most notable among people who are 18 to 29 years old.

    According to the poll, 34% of “younger millennials” - those born between 1990 and 1994 - are religiously unaffiliated. Among “older millennials,” born between 1981 and 1989, 30% are religiously unaffiliated: 4 percentage points higher than in 2007.

    Poll respondents 18-29 were also more likely to identify as atheist or agnostic. Nearly 42% religious unaffiliated people from that age group identified as atheist or agnostic...


    As long as Christianity continues to identify with idiotic beliefs, like creationism, they're signing their own death warrant. It's only a matter of time before this trend hits a critical mass and we experience a complete shift in society.
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    09 Oct '12 13:53
    Originally posted by rwingett
    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/survey-one-in-five-americans-is-religiously-unaffiliated/?hpt=hp_c2

    One in five Americans has no religion, up 25% from five years ago. They certainly don't all identify as being atheist, or agnostic, but more and more people are doing jut that.

    [quote]Demographically, the growth among the religiously unaffilia ...[text shortened]... of time before this trend hits a critical mass and we experience a complete shift in society.
    It can't come soon enough for me. Right wing Christian nutjobs are a threat to our civilization, US civilization, threatening to revert us back to the 19th century while the rest of the world goes by us in scientific discovery, especially in medicine.
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    09 Oct '12 13:54
    Originally posted by rwingett
    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/survey-one-in-five-americans-is-religiously-unaffiliated/?hpt=hp_c2

    One in five Americans has no religion, up 25% from five years ago. They certainly don't all identify as being atheist, or agnostic, but more and more people are doing jut that.

    [quote]Demographically, the growth among the religiously unaffilia ...[text shortened]... of time before this trend hits a critical mass and we experience a complete shift in society.
    I would say the shift has happened here in the UK and occurred a few years ago. In the last 50 years the number of people who attend church at least once a month has fallen from just over half the population to 15%, and that number has only risen because of the influx of Catholics from Eastern Europe coming here. A third of the population here identify themselves as atheist or agnostic.
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    Originally posted by rwingett
    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/survey-one-in-five-americans-is-religiously-unaffiliated/?hpt=hp_c2

    One in five Americans has no religion, up 25% from five years ago. They certainly don't all identify as being atheist, or agnostic, but more and more people are doing jut that.

    [quote]Demographically, the growth among the religiously unaffilia of time before this trend hits a critical mass and we experience a complete shift in society.
    it depends who you ask though doesn't it and i may just like to remind you that
    materialism is as idiotic to a creationist as creationism is to a materialist, just sayin,
    but then again, we generally dont come right out and say you are idiots, but try to
    respect your beliefs, except of course if your RJH.

    Most secular media in the U.S. imply that the world is largely dividing between
    resurgent Islam and enlightened secularists, with isolated evangelicals and Catholics
    left on the sideline. A recent report by the ;International Bulletin of Missionary
    Research indicates otherwise, with one third of the world professing Christianity,
    virtually unchanged as a global percentage since 100 years ago. Christians today
    are estimated to number about 2.3 billion. About 1.5 billion are estimated to attend
    church regularly at over 5 million congregations, up from 400,000 100 years ago.

    There are 1.6 estimated Muslims, 951 million Hindus, and 468 million Buddhists.
    Atheists are thought to be 137 million, a declining number. The report estimates
    about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300
    fewer atheists every day.


    http://spectator.org/archives/2011/02/28/thriving-christianity
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    09 Oct '12 16:09
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    it depends who you ask though doesn't it and i may just like to remind you that
    materialism is as idiotic to a creationist as creationism is to a materialist, just sayin,
    but then again, we generally dont come right out and say you are idiots, but try to
    respect your beliefs, except of course if your RJH.

    Most secular media in the U.S. impl ...[text shortened]... ewer atheists every day.


    http://spectator.org/archives/2011/02/28/thriving-christianity[/b]
    It just goes to show you no god is involved or it would have come down and cleaned up the religious act going on around the world with religions able to justify killing those not in their religion or their brand of religion. Not something from a god.

    All religions are man made so we get what we deserve.
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    09 Oct '12 16:19
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    It just goes to show you no god is involved or it would have come down and cleaned up the religious act going on around the world with religions able to justify killing those not in their religion or their brand of religion. Not something from a god.

    All religions are man made so we get what we deserve.
    correct me if i am wrong, Stalin an atheist and Hitler a national socialist killed more
    people than any religious organisation past or present, or perhaps we can talk about
    the killings fields of Cambodia where the Khmer rouge attempted to establish an atheist
    state and killed a million or so people in the process, so either acknowledge the fact
    that both the religious and irreligious have been guilty of the most horrendous acts of
    butchery or educate yourself, the choice is yours, but your harping on about religion as
    if its the sole contributor to our ills is a nonsense and reeks of prejudice, i dunno what
    your beef is, but you need to work it out for you come across more prejudiced and
    ignorant that the meanest snake dancing southern baptist.
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    09 Oct '12 16:33
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    correct me if i am wrong, Stalin an atheist and Hitler a national socialist killed more
    people than any religious organisation past or present, or perhaps we can talk about
    the killings fields of Cambodia where the Khmer rouge attempted to establish an atheist
    state and killed a million or so people in the process, so either acknowledge the fac ...[text shortened]... you come across more prejudiced and
    ignorant that the meanest snake dancing southern baptist.
    Did Jehovah's Witnesses raise a hand to stop the butchery of Stalin, Hitler or Pol Pot?

    No.

    What exactly are you yourself "harping on about" then? That you wouldn't even raise a hand to stop the butchery of Stalin, Hitler or Pol Pot? Is that supposed to impress people?
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    Originally posted by FMF
    Did Jehovah's Witnesses raise a hand to stop the butchery of Stalin, Hitler or Pol Pot?

    No.

    What exactly are you yourself "harping on about" then? That you wouldn't even raise a hand to stop the butchery of Stalin, Hitler or Pol Pot? Is that supposed to impress people?
    300 Jehovahs witnesses were beheaded in concentration camps rather than even say
    Heil Hitler, some beaten to death, others starved, Stalin sent hordes to the Siberian
    Gulags, we do not engage in violence and we did what we were permitted to do within
    the constraints of our consciences, some resisting to the point of death and forfeiting
    their lives, sure they could have renounced their faith and joined the war machine and
    accomplished what? the killing of other humans, i dont think so.

    I thought my point was obvious, perhaps i need to spell it out for you also, both the
    religious and irreligious have committed atrocity, please write it down on a piece of
    paper so you dont forget it.,
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    09 Oct '12 16:48
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    300 Jehovahs witnesses were beheaded in concentration camps rather than even say
    Heil Hitler, some beaten to death, others starved, Stalin sent hordes to the Siberian
    Gulags, we do not engage in violence and we did what we were permitted to do within
    the constraints of our consciences, some resisting to the point of death and forfeiting
    their ...[text shortened]... d joined the war machine and
    accomplished what? the killing of other humans, i dont think so.
    What would have been wrong with killing Stalin or Hitler or Pol Pot? Would Jesus have just accepted being beaten to death or herded into a gas chamber?
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    09 Oct '12 16:49
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    I thought my point was obvious, perhaps i need to spell it out for you also, both the
    religious and irreligious have committed atrocity, please write it down on a piece of
    paper so you dont forget it.,
    The "obvious point" seemed to be that you wouldn't even raise a hand to stop the butchery of Stalin, Hitler or Pol Pot? And my question is: is that supposed to impress people?
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    09 Oct '12 17:501 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    correct me if i am wrong, Stalin an atheist and Hitler a national socialist killed more
    people than any religious organisation past or present, [/quote]
    okay, i will correct you. hitler identified himself as a christian and we don't know how many people he killed. maybe himself and whatever soldiers he shot in world war 1. and there is no reliable evidence of stalin killing anyone; only rumors.

    however, none of that is relevant in the least bit. the majority of the people doing the killing identified themselves as christians. following orders of mad gods, weather those mad gods are the leaders of their countries or the dictator of their religion, it is no excuse.
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    09 Oct '12 18:49
    Originally posted by rwingett
    As long as Christianity continues to identify with idiotic beliefs, like creationism, they're signing their own death warrant. It's only a matter of time before this trend hits a critical mass and we experience a complete shift in society.
    Come on, for how long are we going to give respectability to some beliefs just because they are held by large quantities of people whilst ridiculing those in the minority?
    Creationism is in no way shape or form more ridiculous a belief than many of the core beliefs held by most Christians, such as the belief that Jesus rose from the dead, or the virgin birth, or that God exists, or that we have souls or that there is life after death.
    I really find it amazing when Christians ridicule creationists with a straight face.
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    09 Oct '12 18:54
    Originally posted by rwingett
    It's only a matter of time before this trend hits a critical mass and we experience a complete shift in society.
    You think we live in a "Christian" society!
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    09 Oct '12 19:09
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Come on, for how long are we going to give respectability to some beliefs just because they are held by large quantities of people whilst ridiculing those in the minority?
    Creationism is in no way shape or form more ridiculous a belief than many of the core beliefs held by most Christians, such as the belief that Jesus rose from the dead, or the virgin b ...[text shortened]... ter death.
    I really find it amazing when Christians ridicule creationists with a straight face.
    I really find it amazing when Christians ridicule creationists with a straight face.

    ???

    I am not a Christian.
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    09 Oct '12 19:11
    Originally posted by divegeester
    You think we live in a "Christian" society!
    We live in a society with a heavy Christian influence.
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