objects of hatred on account of my name

Originally posted by divegeester
An unlikely one I would suggest.

Its no matter, they were out of order anyway. I think the witnesses acted
admirably, i dont know how i would have reacted, more than likely to have grabbed
the nearest fire extinguisher and let them have it and i dont mean the foam.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its no matter, they were out of order anyway. I think the witnesses acted
admirably, i dont know how i would have reacted, more than likely to have grabbed
the nearest fire extinguisher and let them have it and i dont mean the foam.

They were, it looked really frightening.

My copy of "Release" has just arrived this morning; some of the accounts of Christians being persecuted are harrowing and very sad.

http://www.releaseinternational.org/index.php

Originally posted by divegeester
They were, it looked really frightening.

My copy of "Release" has just arrived this morning; some of the accounts of Christians being persecuted are harrowing and very sad.

http://www.releaseinternational.org/index.php

after reading articles on the site I see Pakistan mentioned more times than I cared to
see. Christians there really are in a lot of trouble, utterly second class citizens.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its no matter, they were out of order anyway. I think the witnesses acted
admirably, i dont know how i would have reacted, more than likely to have grabbed
the nearest fire extinguisher and let them have it and i dont mean the foam.

WWJD?

Originally posted by JS357
WWJD?

yes exactly, but he is Jesus, and they were awesome, I myself have very short fuse 🙁

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its hard to say, I dont speak Bulgarian and who knows what motives those persons
had. I merely included the scripture in the title because it seemed to me to be a
possibility.

The VMRO in Bulgaria is a right wing political party. The people carrying out the violence were recruited from various local football firms.

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/114219/brawl-between-bulgarian-nationalists-jehovah-witnesses-injures-5.html

Originally posted by Proper Knob
The VMRO in Bulgaria is a right wing political party. The people carrying out the violence were recruited from various local football firms.

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/114219/brawl-between-bulgarian-nationalists-jehovah-witnesses-injures-5.html

Is that right, remind me never to buy a bottle of Bulgarian wine again! Thanks for that
dear Noobster, they are kind of like rent-a-mob here.

Originally posted by divegeester
An unlikely one I would suggest.

A letter from a Witness couple:


As to the attack on the brothers at the memorial in Bulgaria, the video
was sent to friends in England and it reached Trent and Erin Lippold who
are missionaries assigned to Bulgaria ... here is their reply:


Hi Everyone,

Yep that was pretty much it! It is a Nationalist party that organized
the whole thing. They have been causing problems for years. They
generally protest at our DCs, have caused several memorial venues to be
cancelled, protested KH construction and dedications. They have been
very vocal in the media with their hatred for us and spread all kinds of
ridiculous lies. For example in the clip they are chanting "Sects -
before and now are mafia". They have claimed that we are funded by
organized crime. A little ironic actually.

It is funny really but the consequences are generally anything but funny
as the work suffers. However this stunt may have been one too many. It
is indicative of the type of people we're talking about when you
consider it was they who posted that video on the web! It indicates
possibly two things to me: their smarts (which are not generally in
question) and the fact that they may feel they can get away with this
sort of thing. The latter is a distinct possibility and the next few
days and weeks will be telling. This received a small mention on the
news but not too much, that is also telling. I have read some local
comments and people seem to be in agreement that it was an ugly attack
on peaceful people...like them or not.

There were no other incidents like this that we have heard of in the
country. All of the brothers that you may have seen we know very well.
Five were taken to hospital, stitches, broken nose. Those brothers
really took the hits for their brothers and sisters! They kept them
safe by not allowing the hooligans to enter past the front door, there
is another set of double doors that lead to the hall that were kept
closed. But those brothers really suffered, several smoke bombs were
thrown into the hall where they were standing, not to mention rocks, a
planter and anything else they could find. Makes you think "am I ready
to do the same?"

On a happier note we had excellent attendance here - 26 pubs and a total
of 56 came: 21 in Turkish and 35 in Bulgarian. The Roma congregation in
Sofia (30 publishers) had 703 in attendance! Our little congregation
has 100% pioneer participation this month. So although the scenes from
Sunday night in Burgas were very ugly, they are a sign of the times but
the work moves on.

Stay well and stay strong.

Trent and Erin

Originally posted by divegeester
Matthew 24:9
“Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of [b]my name.

This text is lifted is from the JW site: http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/mt/chapter_024.htm

The person speaking in the text is Jesus, it is HIS name he is referrin ...[text shortened]... ideo link to Jehovah's Witnesses being persecuted. There is am important significance in that.[/b]

Jesus is God's son and the acting King of Jehovah's Kingdom. So what cruel things that are done to Jesus as in his being put to death when he was on earth would also be towards his Father Jehovah.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
The name Carrobie?

On a serious note. People have been subjected to violence because of their religious, political or even football beliefs. Their gender, sexuality, ethnicity, race and who knows what else for probably as long as we have been on the planet.

People suck. As the late great Bill Hicks said -

We're just a virus with shoes.

Were not talking sports here but Christians. Could you please compile a list for us since your such an authority on this of all the Christian churches and their members that have dealt with pursecution on any level in lets say the last hundred years? Not all of the time period since Jesus was here on earth as that's asking a lot, so to make it easy, just the last 100 will do?

Originally posted by galveston75
Were not talking sports here but Christians. Could you please compile a list for us since your such an authority on this of all the Christian churches and their members that have dealt with pursecution on any level in lets say the last hundred years? Not all of the time period since Jesus was here on earth as that's asking a lot, so to make it easy, just the last 100 will do?

This news story is only the beginning.

Wait until the Tribulation hits.

Originally posted by galveston75
Were not talking sports here but Christians. Could you please compile a list for us since your such an authority on this of all the Christian churches and their members that have dealt with pursecution on any level in lets say the last hundred years? Not all of the time period since Jesus was here on earth as that's asking a lot, so to make it easy, just the last 100 will do?

since your such an authority on this of all the Christian churches

What are you wittering about?! Who said i was an authority?! You create a strawman argument, and then with your shocking use of the English language and spelling, tell me to defend your made up strawman because you've claimed ludicrously claimed i'm an authority.

Were not talking sports here but Christians.

But violence like this is a common occurrence between rival sporting fans. Especially football supporters. Homosexuals are subjected to violence like this so are other religious groups. I was merely pointing out that this event, although grotesquely abhorrent, is unfortunately not uncommon.

Originally posted by galveston75
A letter from a Witness couple:


As to the attack on the brothers at the memorial in Bulgaria, the video
was sent to friends in England and it reached Trent and Erin Lippold who
are missionaries assigned to Bulgaria ... here is their reply:


Hi Everyone,

Yep that was pretty much it! It is a Nationalist party that organized
the whol ...[text shortened]... n of the times but
the work moves on.

Stay well and stay strong.

Trent and Erin

its beautiful man!

Originally posted by galveston75
Jesus is God's son and the acting King of Jehovah's Kingdom. So what cruel things that are done to Jesus as in his being put to death when he was on earth would also be towards his Father Jehovah.

Sure but that's not my point.

"The ONLY name given by which we may be saved" is Jesus/Yeshua not Jehovah. The name given by that "is above all other names" is Jesus (Philippians 2). That is the profession that Jesus/Yeshua was referring to HIS name not the name of Jehovah.

Originally posted by divegeester
Sure but that's not my point.

"The ONLY name given by which we may be saved" is Jesus/Yeshua not Jehovah. The name given by that "is above [b]all other names" is Jesus (Philippians 2). That is the profession that Jesus/Yeshua was referring to HIS name not the name of Jehovah.[/b]

One day soon my friend you will clearly know who Jehovah is.....

Matthew 24:36 (Today’s New International Version, ©2005)

The Day and Hour Unknown
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

"Only the Father knows" my friend at that is Jehovah! You better take him serious....