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Originally posted by no1marauderI'm fairly confident that I could identify Grimm's Fairy Tales as such without a clear label.
the Biblical metaphors and parables are not so clearly labelled.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesWell I'm sure that's true, but place them in a book with the central belief that a guy rose from the dead and some other guy parted a sea with a stick and some other guy caused the sun to stop and somebody else got turned into a pillar of salt, etc. and maybe witches living in gingerbread houses wouldn't seem so obviously absurd (can't remember if that's one of Grimm's Fairy Tales but you should see the point).
I'm fairly confident that I could identify Grimm's Fairy Tales as such without a clear label.
Originally posted by no1marauderAbsurdity is not relative. I would find them all equally absurd.
Well I'm sure that's true, but place them in a book with the central belief that a guy rose from the dead and some other guy parted a sea with a stick and some other guy caused the sun to stop and somebody else got turned into a pillar of salt, etc. and maybe witches living in gingerbread houses wouldn't seem so obviously absurd (can't remember if that's one of Grimm's Fairy Tales but you should see the point).
Originally posted by NemesioDo we really need ancient text to teach us about fallibility, arrogant willfulness, weakness, vanity and any other human trait that manifest themself daily in our our experience?
The question comes down to this:
Does something have to be historically true in order have '[b]Truth?'
To the 'awake mind,' the historicity of the Bible would have no significance, because
what is historically true or not is illusory and, ultimately, meaningless.
However, the 'awake mind' would find great 'wisdom' in, for exampl ...[text shortened]... es
from which we should learn (fallibility, arrogant willfulness, weakness, vanity).
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Originally posted by frogstompI've read Aristophanes and Aesychleus and some other ancient Greek writers and I find they have insights that are still relevant. You quoted Tom Paine in another thread; someone could ask whether you couldn't find someone more recent to make the same points. Human wisdom is never such a common commodity that any source of it should be disregarded.
Do we really need ancient text to teach us about fallibility, arrogant willfulness, weakness, vanity and any other human trait that manifest themself daily in our our experience?
Do we need a book that shows us a god with all the same failings that we ourselves have ?
How much wisdom is there in pretending that this is the Loving Creator ...[text shortened]... teachings were:::: Peace is not War..
Forgiveness is not Vengence... do I need to go on?
Originally posted by no1marauderI quoted Tom Paine in this thread too, and Cicero. And have many times quoted Jesus.
I've read Aristophanes and Aesychleus and some other ancient Greek writers and I find they have insights that are still relevant. You quoted Tom Paine in another thread; someone could ask whether you couldn't find someone more recent to make the same points. Human wisdom is never such a common commodity that any source of it should be disregarded.
Originally posted by NemesioHow you deduced that from my post is a mystery to me .
So you would state that the 'Prodigal Son' has no Wisdom because
it is 'untrue?' Or, for a non-Biblical example, Grimm's Fairy Tales?
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Originally posted by frogstompThere has been plenty of research done linking the Sumerian Enuma Elish with the book of Genesis in particular; Zecharia Sitchin is one scholar who is fluent in both Hebrew and Sumerian cuneiform, and he has unearthed many surprising correspondences. Alas, Sitchin is not all that well known, as his 8 or 9 books have been designed and published in such a fashion as to make him seem like a slightly more sophisticated version of that crackpot Erich von Daniken. And Sitchin himself probably gets too rigid in places, refusing to budge from his theory that there is a "Planet X" that is beyond the orbit of Pluto, possibly as far as 100 Astronomical Units out, and that passes dangerously close to Earth about every 3,600 years, resulting in global effects similar to the ones described in the Book of Revelation, or as found in various Flood myths.
Was there not wisdom is the original myths the Enuma Elish and Xiusudra's Flood among others?
How does and awake mind reconcile the god of Joshua ordering him to do the same to Ai, as was done to Jehrico with the god the father of Jesus.
And a god whose very name is something His followers deny.
His name was EL.
I do very much a ...[text shortened]... isdom is it not?
Sometime the Truth hurts but Wisdom without truth isn't wisdom at all.
Originally posted by MetamorphosisWe seem to have come to the nearly same place following different paths.
There has been plenty of research done linking the Sumerian Enuma Elish with the book of Genesis in particular; Zecharia Sitchin is one scholar who is fluent in both Hebrew and Sumerian cuneiform, and he has unearthed many surprising correspondences. Alas, Sitchin is not all that well known, as his 8 or 9 books have been designed and published in such ...[text shortened]... led the test," said the Zen master. "Return to the mountains and meditate for one more year."
Originally posted by AThousandYoungBeyond question Tom Paine was a Founding Father and a very influential one. His pamphet Common Sense was the first writing to openly call for independence and was widely read and debated in 1776. You can read the entire work at http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/
Off topic, but this should be easily addressed. If it becomes a debate in it's own right I'll make a new thread.
Does Tom Paine count as a "Founding Father"? It would be really interesting to be able to point out to overly ze ...[text shortened]... t one of the Founding Fathers was extremely critical of the Bible.
Originally posted by NemesioHow much wisdom or truth do you expect to glean from a book the very core of which is meant to intimidate the populace into acting according to the leader's whims?
Originally posted by frogstomp
[b]Do we really need ancient text to teach us about fallibility, arrogant willfulness, weakness, vanity and any other human trait that manifest themself daily in our our experience?
First ...[text shortened]... vent war,
suffering, hunger, homelessness, and need.
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