@mike69 saidI thought all Christians would think statements, recommendations, made by Christ carried more weight than personal ones, and that includes prayer.
It’s a very important prayer also used to be a structure for our own personal prayers. You, do you feel this prayer has all power over all prayers?
@mchill saidOverthinking Christianity started a long time ago, when theologians started trying to make intellectual sense of a highly implausible story. You would have to backtrack before Origen to find a Christianity not burdened by overthinking.
I've noticed a number of atheists and agnostics here overthinking Christianity. Some with genuine questions, and some with the intention of discrediting it. I don't claim to have answers to all your questions, but the prayer used in my church sums up our relationship to God. Rather than overthinking it all, you might consider the fact that none of us has all the facts and that ...[text shortened]... , so that we may delight in your will and walk in your ways, to the glory of your holy name. Amen 🙂
@moonbus saidOr, as happens more often than not, not enough thinking.
Overthinking Christianity started a long time ago, when theologians started trying to make intellectual sense of a highly implausible story. You would have to backtrack before Origen to find a Christianity not burdened by overthinking.
@suzianne saidOr not enough of the right kind. In any case, Christianity itself invites and incites overthinking. It comes with having a doctrine. A religion with no doctrine does not have this problem.
Or, as happens more often than not, not enough thinking.
@mike69 saidFor one thing, Jesus recommended it.
It’s a very important prayer also used to be a structure for our own personal prayers. You, do you feel this prayer has all power over all prayers?
But then, he also recommended following scripture. Some "red-letter Christians" think all you have to do is heed the words of Jesus. There's far more to the Christian walk than that, although it's a good starting point to be sure. The rest is flavoring, yet important. It helps one to become more than a blind follower. It also helps to avoid misapprehending what Jesus actually said.
He said, "After this manner therefore pray ye". After this manner. If you use the Lord's Prayer, it should be with full meaning, not simple "vain repetition". Model the rest of your prayers after his example, and you won't go wrong. Try to leave out words like "me" and "I". Try "we" and "us". Pray more for others. This will enrich your life.
@rajk999 saidWhat you wrote is nuts in many directions from only seeing through the eyes of written words creating visualization of thought instead of a more prayerful, spiritual, one on one relationship for wholeness and better understanding. This is in my opinion only, as all of us Christians do have our own reality of a single truth from being individuals. This isn’t an all inclusive, all in, message from ego and all related as this would be of the world not God nor for understanding of one another with possible growth for both in Christ. Please be more honest and clear in your question’s, equally expressing yourself in more detail also on your feelings while doing so.
I thought all Christians would think statements, recommendations, made by Christ carried more weight than personal ones, and that includes prayer.
@mike69 saidThat sounds like a load of BS.Jesus made some recommendations and dos and donts about prayer. Of course those who do not follow Jesus will not see the point of these and go off on their own
What you wrote is nuts in many directions from only seeing through the eyes of written words creating visualization of thought instead of a more prayerful, spiritual, one on one relationship for wholeness and better understanding. This is in my opinion only, as all of us Christians do have our own reality of a single truth from being individuals. This isn’t an all inclusive, ...[text shortened]... in your question’s, equally expressing yourself in more detail also on your feelings while doing so.
@rajk999 saidI asked you specific questions in my last post in a specific manner for the understanding of one another for growth of each if possible in unity, directness, which I prefer, without bad intent.
That sounds like a load of BS.Jesus made some recommendations and dos and donts about prayer. Of course those who do not follow Jesus will not see the point of these and go off on their own
Without the things I mentioned at the bottom of that post.
Could you please reread and answer in this manner in your own words without the use of misc. thoughts to deceive and wiggle out of answering, in my opinion only, as each answer from me will be with anyone here.
We’re just sitting at a table as friends with the ability to be open with one another and not be insulted at all on a subject for growth, if this helps.