26 Dec 20
In the LGBT thread I was attempting to ask a question about sin, but may not have asked it clearly.
If a Christian is knowingly commiting a certain sin (daily, weekly, yearly), then how can they continue to call themselves a Christian?
Jesus requires repentance and change, once the sin is known and admitted. Yes, one can ask for forgiveness, but every day?
For the same sin?
I referred to sexual preference in the other thread because it doesn't seem that one can change it, but it's likely that there are more issues people deal with that they cannot seem to change, which causes perpetual sin. This can only lead to a frustrating existence if one tries to remain a Christian.
26 Dec 20
@lemondrop saidDoes Jesus say that He will perpetually forgive sins if the person knows it's a sin, but continues to do it anyway?
jesus is programmed to forgive
hence
perpetual forgiveness
Maybe not.
@chaney3 saidWhether you believe in the supernatural immortality angle or not, following Jesus is a code for walk-the-walk living or else it is nothing.
If a Christian is knowingly commiting a certain sin (daily, weekly, yearly), then how can they continue to call themselves a Christian?
There are 40,000 denominations and you can rummage through what they have to say if you so please.
Earnest endeavours to obey the key commandments that Jesus gave - and then let the creator being [if there is one] go ahead and judge the sincerity with which you sought to be obedient - seems like a sensible way to conduct yourself, regardless of your rather agnostic Christian "faith" and regardless of what maybe 40,000 different voices are babbling in your ear.
Following Jesus' teaching is a code for living that has more moral import than debating whether angels dancing on a pin are labelling so-and-so "a Christian".
26 Dec 20
@fmf saidYour post is reasonable. In essence, you seem to be saying....do the best you can, then leave the judging to God.
Whether you believe in the supernatural immortality angle or not, following Jesus is a code for walk-the-walk living or else it is nothing.
There are 40,000 denominations and you can rummage through what they have to say if you so please.
Earnest endeavours to obey the key commandments that Jesus gave - and then let the creator being [if there is one] go ahead and judge t ...[text shortened]... e moral import than debating whether angels dancing on a pin are labelling so-and-so "a Christian".
But there are many voices saying we should do better than that.
Jesus said "go and sin no more".
He must have had a reason to say it.
26 Dec 20
@lemondrop saidThe actual commandment says:
is lying a sin?
Do not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Maybe lying about other stuff is okay, as long as your neighbor is not involved. 😀
(Just keeping it light)
26 Dec 20
@chaney3 saidShrug. Choose one of those voices or organizations and follow it then, if your personality and moral compass leave you no other option.
But there are many voices saying we should do better than that.
But to me, the notion that one needs to follow those who say one "should do better than that" even though one is sincerely doing one's best, seems like a recipe for falling under the spell of sanctimonious hypocrites.
Once one does this, it soon becomes a case of 'I am powerless, I am not worthy, thank goodness I don't have to try, thank goodness I can gain immortality purely for thinking certain things'... etc.
Know what I mean?
27 Dec 20
@chaney3 saidYes, if you knew your Bible you would know that this is the case.
Yes, one can ask for forgiveness, but every day?
For the same sin?
27 Dec 20
@divegeester saidit's a get out of jail free card
Yes, if you knew your Bible you would know that this is the case.
27 Dec 20
@divegeester saidYou are wrong dive.
Yes, if you knew your Bible you would know that this is the case.
Jesus calls us to repent and change, not just continuing the same old sins, day after day.
You don't like to hear that though, because it allows you to ignore what Jesus said, and remain your angry, sarcastic, coarse persona on these forums.
Do you really think Jesus is stupid?
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27 Dec 20
@chaney3 saidYou are in no position to comment on other posters personas.
You don't like to hear that though, because it allows you to ignore what Jesus said, and remain your angry, sarcastic, coarse persona on these forums.
Do you really think Jesus is stupid?
Do you think people have forgotten the racist and sexist rants you have made here in the past?
27 Dec 20
@ghost-of-a-duke saidMove on petty man.
You are in no position to comment on other posters personas.
Do you think people have forgotten the racist and sexist rants you have made here in the past?