1. Standard memberRJHinds
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    Pick your religious belief:

    http://eveloce.scienceblog.com/16/dna-proves-evoution/

    http://www.ucg.org/science/dna-tiny-code-thats-toppling-evolution/
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    10 Dec '13 01:551 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Pick your religious belief:

    http://eveloce.scienceblog.com/16/dna-proves-evoution/

    http://www.ucg.org/science/dna-tiny-code-thats-toppling-evolution/
    There is only one religious belief here, your so-called christianity. A plagiarized religion, a hodge podge of beliefs from thousands of years before this pathetic shadow of a religion showed up.

    Science works on evidence as you well know. If the evidence changes, the views can change as you well know. It is only YOUR insistence that evolution is a religion that causes you to put the two side by side as if there was some kind of equality of philosophy there.

    There is no equality, there is no religion in science. There are determined scientists for sure, they have to defend their Phd's to other scientists to get elected into the club. That makes them excellent debaters and they stick to their causes sometimes to the death.

    You can call it a conviction but you can't call it a religion. They don't make shrines to their science, there is not enough money in science for that. I can only assume you would feel any scientific machine would be someone's shrine but I can tell you for a fact those 'shrines' don't last long.

    A religious shrine is still there a thousand years later. A scientific 'shrine' has a very short lifetime compared to religious shrines BECAUSE science can and DOES change when new knowledge comes on the scene in spite of bull headed scientists who carry obsolete theories to their grave.

    Often times that is how science advances because people can be bull headed just like you are in your insistence on evolution being called a science.
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    10 Dec '13 20:43
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Pick your religious belief:

    http://eveloce.scienceblog.com/16/dna-proves-evoution/

    http://www.ucg.org/science/dna-tiny-code-thats-toppling-evolution/
    How many times do I have to tell you?

    This isn't a kickball game, we don't have to pick sides. The truth is somewhere in-between.
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    10 Dec '13 20:46
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    There is only one religious belief here, your so-called christianity. A plagiarized religion, a hodge podge of beliefs from thousands of years before this pathetic shadow of a religion showed up.

    ...

    Often times that is how science advances because people can be bull headed just like you are in your insistence on evolution being called a science.
    pssssst, "religion"... "just like you are in your insistence on evolution being called a religion."
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    10 Dec '13 22:14
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    How many times do I have to tell you?

    This isn't a kickball game, we don't have to pick sides. The truth is somewhere in-between.
    I figure your going to have to keep claiming that the truth lies in-between
    until you die, or become an atheist.

    Mainly because you are wrong.


    While they are nuts, creationists are right about one thing.

    Science and religion are utterly incompatible and are at war.
    A war science will win.

    It doesn't matter how many nice and fluffy sounding things you say about
    truth being a compromise in the middle that will not change.*



    *Barring actual evidence arising demonstrating that gods do exist
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    Originally posted by googlefudge
    I figure your going to have to keep claiming that the truth lies in-between
    until you die, or become an atheist.

    Mainly because you are wrong.


    While they are nuts, creationists are right about one thing.

    Science and religion are utterly incompatible and are at war.
    A war science will win.

    It doesn't matter how many nice and fluffy soundi ...[text shortened]... ill not change.*



    *Barring actual evidence arising demonstrating that gods do exist
    There will never be proof of God until you experience Him at Judgement. By then, it's too late. There's plenty of evidence in the meantime, though. Your mistake is that that evidence doesn't convince you.
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    11 Dec '13 00:591 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    There will never be proof of God until you experience Him at Judgement. By then, it's too late. There's plenty of evidence in the meantime, though. Your mistake is that that evidence doesn't convince you.
    Evidence such as what?

    I keep asking this question and yet nobody can tell me a single piece of
    evidence for the existence of any gods... let alone their specific one.


    Name me one single solitary piece of evidence that your god exists.

    All that is required to achieve this is to give me a fact or observation that
    makes it more likely that your god exists.

    That's a spectacularly low bar.

    Can you clear it?



    EDIT: and I did say evidence not proof.
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    11 Dec '13 01:131 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    How many times do I have to tell you?

    This isn't a kickball game, we don't have to pick sides. The truth is somewhere in-between.
    "This isn't a kickball game, we don't have to pick sides." -Suzianne

    Well said, Suzi. Fact is we're not each other's enemies; rather, we have a common enemy....

    Satan the Deceiver of Mankind “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations? And thou saidst in thy heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit in the mountain of the covenant, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the height of the clouds, I will be like the most High. But yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, into the depth of the pit.” – Isaiah 14:12-15

    "Satan’s character is deceitful, devious and cunning as in a variety of guises he seeks to influence people for his own ends."

    * Satan’s deceitful character

    He is evil
    Mt 6:13 See also Mt 5:37; Mt 13:19; Jn 17:15; 2Th 3:3; 1Jn 2:13-14; 1Jn 3:8,12; 1Jn 5:18

    He is a liar. Jn 8:44 See also Ge 3:4-5; Job 1:11; Job 2:5; Rev 3:9

    He is devious 2Co 11:14 See also 2Co 11:3; Eph 6:11; 2Th 2:9; 1Ti 3:7; 2Ti 2:26

    He is scheming Eph 6:11 See also 2Co 2:10-11

    He is a slanderer Job 1:9-11 See also 1Ti 5:14-15; Rev 2:9

    * Satan’s deceitful work

    He deceives individuals
    1Ti 2:14 Eve was deceived by Satan the serpent. See also Da 8:25; 2Ti 3:13; Rev 12:9; Rev 20:3,10

    He works counterfeit miracles 2Th 2:9-10 See also Ex 7:11-12,22; Dt 13:1-2; Mt 24:24 pp Mk 13:22; Rev 13:13-14; Rev 19:20

    He appoints false prophets Mt 7:15 See also Dt 13:5; Jer 23:26; Jer 28:15; Jer 29:21; Eze 13:6-10; 2Pe 2:1-3,18-19

    He misuses Scripture Mt 4:6 pp Lk 4:10

    He blinds unbelievers 2Co 4:4 "... in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

    http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/dictionary-of-bible-themes/4123-Satan-as-deceiver
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    11 Dec '13 01:19
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b"Satan’s character is deceitful, devious and cunning as in a variety of guises he seeks to influence people for his own ends."

    [/b]
    Which is exactly what I've heard about your god.

    Except "for his own ends" is changed to "purpose"
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    11 Dec '13 01:26
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Which is exactly what I've heard about your god.

    Except "for his own ends" is changed to "purpose"
    "The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God.'" -Psalm 14:1
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    11 Dec '13 01:32
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    "The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God.'" -Psalm 14:1
    To understand via the heart is not to understand.
    Michel de Montaigne
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    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    To understand via the heart is not to understand.
    [b] Michel de Montaigne
    [/b]
    "Heart" = mind: human hearts pump blood; human minds circulate thought. So Michel de Montaigne got it right.
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    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Evidence such as what?

    I keep asking this question and yet nobody can tell me a single piece of
    evidence for the existence of any gods... let alone their specific one.


    Name me one single solitary piece of evidence that your god exists.

    All that is required to achieve this is to give me a fact or observation that
    makes it more likely that y ...[text shortened]... t's a spectacularly low bar.

    Can you clear it?



    EDIT: and I did say evidence not proof.
    Here is an article that puts forth some arguments for evidence of the existence of God. They mainly deal with the complexity issue that points to a deliberate Designer for the purpose of providing a place suitable for a designed life form to exist. Albert Einsten believed that a superior mind must have been involved in the design of the universe, even though, he doubted the existence of a personal god.

    I realize that the complexity of fine-tunning the earth for life is not good enough for the hard atheist like you. However, there is also extreme complexity in life itself that is evident in the small DNA molecule containing information instruction code for reproducing various life forms.

    To believe these complexity issues could have all arisen by a series of accidents seems ridiculous to a large number of people and some have calculated it to be so improbable to be virtually equivalent to impossible.

    These complexity issues have caused many honest scientists today to change from their atheist belief to believe in some sort of supreme intelligent designer. They don't all acknowledge this supreme desinger to be the God of the Holy Bible. But I think we must admit that the God of the Holy Bible is the only Supreme being that claims to have created and made these things as they are.

    Keep in mind that the god of the Koran and the Book of Mormon are just plagarized versions of the God of the Holy Bible.

    http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html
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    11 Dec '13 11:351 edit
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Evidence such as what?

    I keep asking this question and yet nobody can tell me a single piece of
    evidence for the existence of any gods... let alone their specific one.


    Name me one single solitary piece of evidence that your god exists.

    All that is required to achieve this is to give me a fact or observation that
    makes it more likely that y ...[text shortened]... t's a spectacularly low bar.

    Can you clear it?



    EDIT: and I did say evidence not proof.
    Name me one single piece of solitary evidence that you do not intend to reject any and all proposed evidence for Theism.

    There is absolutely zero evidence that you intend to do any other thing but immediately knee jerk react with an alternative interpretation of anything suggested as evidence for God's existence.
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    11 Dec '13 12:31
    Originally posted by sonship
    Name me one single piece of solitary evidence that you do not intend to reject any and all proposed evidence for Theism.

    There is absolutely zero evidence that you intend to do any other thing but immediately knee jerk react with an alternative interpretation of anything suggested as evidence for God's existence.
    the problem you have is that there is no evidence to reject. googlefudge is not rejecting 'evidence' he's quite rightly pointing out that so far there has been nothing put forward that even qualifies as evidence. the best you guys have is your god of gaps, but the gaps are not evidence. so you still have squat. so the ball is back in your court. provide some evidence please.
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