Thank you in advance for your honest, direct advice.
Why do you pretend to want my advice when you leave two dozen questions to you or more ignored, that TRIED to help you?
Interesting how prompt you are to re-ask me to talk to you.
Yet how predictably negligent you are when I ASK you to think through a matter by means of a question. I do so to help you.
Dozens you have left unanswered. Ie. you never did show me the word "doctrine" in that favorite statement you like.
Since you cannot identify the phrase "must believe in the DOCTRINE ... of this or that" stop trying to put words in my mouth. It is as annoying as you find when I "paraphased" you, which you accused of misquoting.
You are a very interesting study in NON-mutuality.
Your next post will then address the location of the word "doctrine" in those paragraphs you return to in Beliefs and Practices of the Local Churches.
Or admit that you cannot see the words amounting to " must believe in the DOCTRINE of ________ ".
I doubt you'll do that because the cost of honesty seems too great for you in this.
@divegeester
I've been posting for over a decade. Produce the post in which I asserted unqualified knowledge that I knew that you were not saved.
And a heretic (a "two bit heretic", which I once called you) can be saved person to me in spite of their wrong teachings.
I have been careful over the years not to insist I knew one way or the other concerning your salvation. If you disagree, produce the post in which I asserted that I knew for certain your state of salvation.
Besides, if you know that you are saved, what does it matter what I think.
You know who you are then.
And the obsession with demonstrating some Christians who want to practice as the New Testament - one church for one city, must be identified by you as a dangerous cult, it bordering on obsession.
No one can put another Christian brother out of the universal church.
This is impossible. If you know you are a member of the Body of Christ, no human being can put you out of the Body of Christ either deliberately or mistakenly.
So why are you obsessed with my approval?
Sonship, it’s your church’s teaching, but if you don’t want to advise me just say so.
If you do not want me to assist you by helping you think through your non-issue, YOU should just tell me.
Indirectly, you have in spades. You don't want my fellowship. You want to think what you think what you think what you think period.
So go ahead and do that. Is a new thread actually needed JUST to inform me of that repeated desire ?
I see few of any other definite Christians complaining to me that I have treated them as second class believers or refused to be "brothers" with them.
I can't think of anyone who agrees with everything I write.
Divegeester, if he has the Son has the Father also.
And if he does not have the Son does not have the Father also.
If the one of the other lives in him, whether he likes it or not the "UNE" lives in him. As in triune God.
John wrote that before me or Witness Lee were born.
"This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who confesses the Son has the Father also." (See 1 John 2:22,23)
Ie. someone .... "BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THREE GOD !!!"
Fine! Fine! But "He who confesses the Son has the Father also." Sorry.
Look, it is not too bad, this mysterious Father - Son - Holy Spirit. This is eternal life you know?
Okay, let's push this dialogue a step further.
Could confessing the Son and having the Father also be like this?
"He who confesses the Lord has the Savior also"
or
"He who confesses the Good Shepherd has the Door of the Sheep also."
Or could it be like this?
"Whoever denies the King of Kings denies the Lord of the Sabbath also.
of
"Whoever denies the Son of Man denies the Son of God also."
I mean if Christ had more than one office is John's exhortation like this. To receive ONE office of Jesus is necessarily to have the OTHER office of Jesus as well. Can't help but getting BOTH or all, as many as there are.
No, I don't think John 2:22,23 is exactly like this. That is because in the Bible we don't have the two offices in an relationship of love, obedience, sending, in the same manner as the Son and the Father and the Spirit.
We do not for example see the Lord of the Sabbath and the Son of Man conversing on with the other like we see of the Son and the Father -
"Father concerning that which You have given Me, I desire that they also may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory, which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world." (John 17:24)
We do not see such a relationship between the Good Shepherd and the Lord of the Sabbath was as we see here between Father and Son.
"Again, going away a second time, He prayed, saying, My Father, if this cannot pass away unless I drink it, You will be done." (Matt. 26:42)
Yet there is one God. What can we do except believe the word of God and receive this mysterious Person to be our life.
It’s ok then, perhaps someone else will want to advise me.
In the document that you like to refer to, you may have missed these words of advice.
Concerning Salvation ...
In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer and calling on the name of the Lord. According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must believe in his heart and confess with his mouth.
Once a person has been saved, he may have both the assurance of salvation and the security of salvation. Once we are saved, we are saved forever.
Thank you in advance for your honest, direct advice.
Good advice I think right from the Scriptures:
In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer and calling on the name of the Lord. According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must believe in his heart and confess with his mouth.
Under Concerning Salvation in
https://www.localchurches.org/beliefs/
The Beliefs and Practices of the Local Churches
@sonship saidYou are a liar. The bible says no such thing....Thank you in advance for your honest, direct advice.
Good advice I think right from the Scriptures:
[quote]In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer and calling on the name of the Lord. According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must bel ...[text shortened]... n[/b] in
https://www.localchurches.org/beliefs/
The Beliefs and Practices of the Local Churches
Once a person has been saved, he may have both the assurance of salvation and the security of salvation. Once we are saved, we are saved forever.
You are a liar. The bible says no such thing....
Once a person has been saved, he may have both the assurance of salvation and the security of salvation. Once we are saved, we are saved forever.
Same old ... same old .... repetitive argument from the one note piano player.
What kind of redemption did Jesus obtain - temporary or eternal ?
Answer: "[A]n eternal redemption"
"And not through the blood of goats and calves but through His own blood, entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, obtaining an eternal redemption." (Hebrews 9:12)