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Spirituality 24 Dec '08 14:47
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    did he say saving homosexuals is as important as saving the rain forest??
    to single out gays from all sinners "seems a bit strong" as pedoes are my top of the sinners charts if they want to do another "10 thou shalt nots".
    saving mankind from itself is more church like
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    Originally posted by stoker
    did he say saving homosexuals is as important as saving the rain forest??
    to single out gays from all sinners "seems a bit strong" as pedoes are my top of the sinners charts if they want to do another "10 thou shalt nots".
    saving mankind from itself is more church like
    Actually, no. The putative offensive paragraph does not mention homosexuals at all. This is a translation given by the auxiliary bishop of Lancaster:

    Since faith in the Creator is an essential part of the Christian Credo, the Church cannot and should not confine itself to passing on the message of salvation alone. It has a responsibility for the created order and ought to make this responsibility prevail, even in public. And in so doing, it ought to safeguard not only the earth, water, and air as gifts of creation, belonging to everyone. It ought also to protect man against the destruction of himself. What is necessary is a kind of ecology of man, understood in the correct sense. When the Church speaks of the nature of the human being as man and woman and asks that this order of creation be respected, it is not the result of an outdated metaphysic. It is a question here of faith in the Creator and of listening to the language of creation, the devaluation of which leads to the self-destruction of man and therefore to the destruction of the same work of God. That which is often expressed and understood by the term “gender”, results finally in the self-emancipation of man from creation and from the Creator. Man wishes to act alone and to dispose ever and exclusively of that alone which concerns him. But in this way he is living contrary to the truth, he is living contrary to the Spirit Creator. The tropical forests are deserving, yes, of our protection, but man merits no less than the creature, in which there is written a message which does not mean a contradiction of our liberty, but its condition. The great Scholastic theologians have characterised matrimony, the life-long bond between man and woman, as a sacrament of creation, instituted by the Creator himself and which Christ – without modifying the message of creation – has incorporated into the history of his covenant with mankind. This forms part of the message that the Church must recover the witness in favour of the Spirit Creator present in nature in its entirety and in a particular way in the nature of man, created in the image of God. Beginning from this perspective, it would be beneficial to read again the Encyclical Humanae Vitae: the intention of Pope Paul VI was to defend love against sexuality as a consumer entity, the future as opposed to the exclusive pretext of the present, and the nature of man against its manipulation.


    The Pope never mentions homosexuals or transgenders, contrary to media reports. Nor does the Pope say that preservation of 'human ecology' is more important than protection of rain forests, another claim which the media machine has pumped out.

    The full speech can be read at:

    http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2008/12/ecology-in-full.html