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    30 Jun '11 16:30
    the first major stumbling block to overcome in being an enlightened person of faith.
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    30 Jun '11 19:46
    Originally posted by Doward
    the first major stumbling block to overcome in being an enlightened person of faith.
    As discussed at:

    http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1639

    I presume?

    If so, it is indeed a distraction favored by some persons on both sides of the question; favored over moving on. A variation on the term "creative destruction" is appropriate, to describe the process of overcoming the stumbling block. That said, it could be that those who are in active rejection of the pre-critical, are a step closer to post-critical naivete. A small step, but possibly, a necessary one.
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    30 Jun '11 21:17
    Originally posted by JS357
    As discussed at:

    http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1639

    I presume?

    If so, it is indeed a distraction favored by some persons on both sides of the question; favored over moving on. A variation on the term "creative destruction" is appropriate, to describe the process of overcoming the stumbling block. That said, it could be that thos ...[text shortened]... ical, are a step closer to post-critical naivete. A small step, but possibly, a necessary one.
    actually as discussed in a recent study with colleagues. interesting link though
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    01 Jul '11 03:56
    Originally posted by Doward
    actually as discussed in a recent study with colleagues. interesting link though
    Didn't you leave something out of that discussion? Shouldn't it have read "Actually as discussed *and rejected* in a recent study with colleagues. Interesting link though".
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    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Didn't you leave something out of that discussion? Shouldn't it have read "Actually as discussed *and rejected* in a recent study with colleagues. Interesting link though".
    why would you presume to know what we discussed? Most of my colleagues reject theology based on pre-critical naivete. You would know that about me if you wern't so blinded by your irrational hatred of theists
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    03 Jul '11 01:45
    Originally posted by Doward
    why would you presume to know what we discussed? Most of my colleagues reject theology based on pre-critical naivete. You would know that about me if you wern't so blinded by your irrational hatred of theists
    To tell you the truth, I'd really rather not know what pre-critical naivete means. lol
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    03 Jul '11 03:12
    Originally posted by Doward
    why would you presume to know what we discussed? Most of my colleagues reject theology based on pre-critical naivete. You would know that about me if you wern't so blinded by your irrational hatred of theists
    Is it really that irrational?

    Whats more rational, being a theist or atheist? 🙄
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    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Is it really that irrational?

    Whats more rational, being a theist or atheist? 🙄
    A theist.
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    03 Jul '11 08:53
    Originally posted by josephw
    A theist.
    ra·tion·al/ˈraSHənl/
    Adjective: Based on or in accordance with reason or logic

    Doesn't sound like much of a basis for theism to me.
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    03 Jul '11 09:31
    Originally posted by Doward
    why would you presume to know what we discussed? Most of my colleagues reject theology based on pre-critical naivete. You would know that about me if you wern't so blinded by your irrational hatred of theists
    Just wanted to see where you stood on that spectrum. Didn't mean any disrespect.
    It is not theism I hate. It is organized religion. There is a huge difference.
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    Originally posted by josephw
    A theist.
    # sure thing
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    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Just wanted to see where you stood on that spectrum. Didn't mean any disrespect.
    It is not theism I hate. It is organized religion. There is a huge difference.
    In all my years of being part of a church I can assure you religion is anything but organized


    edit: If you want to know just ask. For the record I am theologicaly liberal and Christologicaly conservative.
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    03 Jul '11 11:441 edit
    Originally posted by Doward
    In all my years of being part of a church I can assure you religion is anything but organized


    edit: If you want to know just ask. For the record I am theologicaly liberal and Christologicaly conservative.
    The part about organized religion is the part where they seem to go to war at the drop of a hat.

    Crusades, Intifada, it;s all the same. No god would put up with that kind of behavior without coming down hard on the participants if indeed there was a god.

    That kind of behavior without a word from a god is a pretty strong indication to me there is no such thing and the entire religion idea is just the result of human intelligence, no need for supernatural inspiration.

    Human intelligence alone is powerful enough to come up with thousands of years of pithy wisdom.
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    09 Jul '11 05:53
    Originally posted by Doward
    ...and Christologicaly conservative.
    Christ, is that actually a word?
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    17 Jul '11 11:17
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    Christ, is that actually a word?
    yes
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