07 Jul 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonDo you prefer this? On reviewing who the scientists was I can see why you're leery of him. But this one's independent of that one I think.
Sadly, that couldn’t be a more dubious source of statistics!
To date, I have seen no convincing evidence that there is any significant difference in the general intelligence between atheists and theists.
However, I have long suspected that there is often something fundamentally wrong with many theist’s mental mechanism for forming belief ...[text shortened]... nstrating that theists are generally more prone to form delusional beliefs than atheists.
http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2007/02/intelligence-and-religion.html
Or how about this?
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm
07 Jul 08
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungI am much more impressed by these sources of statistics!
Do you prefer this? On reviewing who the scientists was I can see why you're leery of him. But this one's independent of that one I think.
http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2007/02/intelligence-and-religion.html
Or how about this?
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm
From:
http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2007/02/intelligence-and-religion.html
the statistics show:
“People who score higher on the vocabulary test are much less likely to believe that the Bible is "the word of God," to be "fundamentalist," to believe "God concerned with human beings personally," to consider church "very important," or to believe that "atheists shouldn't hold public office." “
and from:
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm
the statistics show (amongst other things):
"Whereas 90% of the general population has a distinct belief in a personal god and a life after death, only 40% of scientists on the B.S. level favour this belief in religion and merely 10 % of those who are considered 'eminent' scientists believe in a personal god or in an afterlife."
And:
“atheists and agnostics are more likely to express their willingness to help the poor than the deeply religious”
(incidentally, I used to work for a charity for the poor and, for about a year, I used my horticultural expertise to help out with the work on a farm for a farmer that was poor and was unable to work due to a very serious illness. Sadly, he died of his illness, but I think I made his life a lot more bearable.)
This is definitely the first time I have ever seen evidence for these things.
07 Jul 08
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Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonInteresing post ... This is one thing that I have been saying a while now. Its nice to see studies supporting this 'contradiction'. Religious people are supposed to be inclined to follow Christ and help the poor and needy, more than anyone else, but they dont. Christ himself realised this 2000 years ago. In the Good Samaritan parable the priest and the Levite both turned their faces from the dying man and the Samaritan who had no religion and knew little about God was the one to help.
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And:
“atheists and agnostics are more likely to express their willingness to help the poor than the deeply religious”
This is definitely the first time I have ever seen evidence for these things.
Many Christians do not think that charity and good works are requirements for salvation. In fact I even heard on one tele-evangelist prog that it is wrong to attempt to help the poor and needy. That is the job of God they claimed and we are not to assist or try to help as it would mean we are playing God. What morons!
08 Jul 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI have never seen an English translation of that passage rendered that way. I suppose some paraphrase might do that.
"Atheists are fools".
PSALMS XIV:I, and Rajk999.
What I am more accustomed to in the translation of that Hebrew passage is:
"The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."
I would regard "Atheists are fools" as a very loose paraphrase and not an accurate translation of the Hebrew.
08 Jul 08
Originally posted by jaywillWhat do you think is the difference in meaning between the two translations? Mine is a loose paraphrase of course. I did not get it from any Bible directly.
I have never seen an English translation of that passage rendered that way. I suppose some paraphrase might do that.
What I am more accustomed to in the translation of that Hebrew passage is:
[b]"The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."
I would regard "Atheists are fools" as a very loose paraphrase and not an accurate translation of the Hebrew.[/b]
08 Jul 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonI used to give free massage to AIDS patients, most of whom were poor. Atheists do help out!
I am much more impressed by these sources of statistics!
From:
http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2007/02/intelligence-and-religion.html
the statistics show:
“People who score higher on the vocabulary test are much less likely to believe that the Bible is "the word of God," to be "fundamentalist," to believe "God concerned with human being ...[text shortened]...
This is definitely the first time I have ever seen evidence for these things.