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Originally posted by vivifyWhy then do we say our house is destroyed when it burns down? Trees grow and create more matter all the time. Then we cut down the trees and build houses from the lumber. 😏
"Matter can neither be created nor destroyed."
There was never "nothing"; matter always existed in some form. The universe was a singularity that expanded from that infinitesimal point.
This shouldn't be too hard for theists to grasp, since they believe God always existed, and was never created.
Theists believe God is an energy source that created matter when there was nothing physical in existence. We do not believe matter always existed or can't be destroyed. Burning wood destroys the matter of the wood while changing it into ashes and heat energy.
Originally posted by RJHindsMatter isn't being created, it's being changed into something else. Trees require energy to grow; that energy comes from soil nutrients and sunlight, which is matter changed into energy for the tree.
Why then do we say our house is destroyed when it burns down? Trees grow and create more matter all the time. Then we cut down the trees and build houses from the lumber. 😏
Regarding God, you referred to him as "energy"; energy isn't created. You believe God always existed, which means you believe in this principle.
Originally posted by RJHindsEnergy is merely the ability of matter to do work. Matter can be changed into energy, such as burning coal being used as energy to make a locomotive move.
You think energy is matter?
I was actually a bit lazy in making that initial quote; more correctly, matter AND energy are neither created nor destroyed.
So again, this concept shouldn't be hard for theists to grasp, since they believe God always existed.
Originally posted by vivifyGod is not matter. However, God consists of energy by which He was able to make matter. You might say energy is not created or destroyed, but only changes form, but matter is destroyed all the time and it is just the energy from the matter that is released.
Energy is merely the ability of matter to do work. Matter can be changed into energy, such as burning coal being used as energy to make a locomotive move.
I was actually a bit lazy in making that initial quote; more correctly, matter AND energy are neither created nor destroyed.
So again, this concept shouldn't be hard for theists to grasp, since they believe God always existed.
“Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.”
― Albert Einstein
Originally posted by RJHindsMatter isn't destroyed, it merely changes to something else. You can 'destroy' an object (as in break it) by turning it into rubble or even burn it to ash, but that matter still isn't destroyed; it's merely something else.
God is not matter. However, God consists of energy by which He was able to make matter. You might say energy is not created or destroyed, but only changes form, but matter is destroyed all the time and it is just the energy from the matter that is released.“Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.”
― Albert Einstein
EDIT: I think your problem is with the idea of 'destroy'. You may be thinking 'destroy' as in to merely damage something.
Originally posted by vivifyAsk a Physicist Answers
Matter isn't destroyed, it merely changes to something else. You can 'destroy' an object (as in break it) by turning it into rubble or even burn it to ash, but that matter still isn't destroyed; it's merely something else.
EDIT: I think your problem is with the idea of 'destroy'. You may be thinking 'destroy' as in to merely damage something.
How was the universe created if physics states matter can neither be created nor destroyed?
The first law of thermodynamics doesn't actually specify that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but instead that the total amount of energy in a closed system cannot be created nor destroyed (though it can be changed from one form to another).
But here's the best part - we don't know yet exactly what happened at the moment the universe began.
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Colorado School of Mines
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Originally posted by RJHindsInteresting. Though this definition doesn't that preclude matter couldn't be created or destroyed prior to the Big Bang, it does open the possibility that matter may not have existed at some point.
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One question: why do you quote scientists when it suits you, but argue against scientists when they refute you (which is 99.99% of the time)?
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Originally posted by vivifyThat is just the way I am. I want to show that I am not making some weird claim that no one would agree with and that I am ...
Interesting. Though this definition doesn't that preclude matter couldn't be created or destroyed prior to the Big Bang, it does open the possibility that matter may not have existed at some point.
One question: why do you quote scientists when it suits you, but argue against scientists when they refute you (which is 99.99% of the time)?
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Originally posted by vivifyI know very well that there was never nothing.
"Matter can neither be created nor destroyed."
There was never "nothing"; matter always existed in some form. The universe was a singularity that expanded from that infinitesimal point.
This shouldn't be too hard for theists to grasp, since they believe God always existed, and was never created.
I was speaking as an atheist putting forward the big bang and evolution.............and who say there was nothing.