Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI thought we were talking about moral systems and not God. The problem I have stated is that any system of morality based around perfection cannot make statements about what to do in the event of an immoral act. If God does not exist then this is all rather moot so let's concentrate on the case where there is a God. If God exists then as a matter of logic 'his' moral system has to take into account the imperfection of the world. So I think words like "absolute" need a lot of justification. Claims of omnipotence for your God do not afford you a free train ride out of paradoxville.
In a hypothetical system where God is the standard of perfection and has the attributes of omnipotence and omniscience, how would coping with imperfection still be a problem?
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Originally posted by josephwWell we already know what your and Fetchmyjunk's personal opinions about "moral absolutes" are, and we know what the personal opinions of people like me and Ghost of a Duke are about "moral absolutes". These personal opinions are all that you, me, Fetchmyjunk and Ghost of a Duke can offer on the topic. This sharing is all that's going on here.
The real question is, does personal opinion have any bearing on moral absolutes?
Meanwhile, in this case I am asking him - and you, if you are willing to answer - about what moral dimension you see in the use of capital punishment?
Originally posted by FMFSo you agree that when it comes to morality nothing is ever objectively wrong? Yes or No?
Well we already know what your and Fetchmyjunk's personal opinions about "moral absolutes" are, and we know what the personal opinions of people like me and Ghost of a Duke are about "moral absolutes". These personal opinions are all that you, me, Fetchmyjunk and Ghost of a Duke can offer on the topic. This sharing is all that's going on here.
Meanwhile, in t ...[text shortened]... you are willing to answer - about what moral dimension you see in the use of capital punishment?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIf your interest is genuine in my answers to this question and others you presumably now intend to simply repeat over and over and over again, see here Thread 171350 and here Thread 171595 and other recent threads.
So you agree that when it comes to morality nothing is ever objectively wrong? Yes or No?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWhat do the "moral absolutes" you believe in have to say about women having to remain silent in churches, not being allowed to speak, but having to be "in submission" instead? Is there a "moral absolutes" angle for you on this issue?
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Originally posted by FMFOh yes I remember your genuine answers where you claimed you didn't like my use of the word 'objective' and where you continually dodged the question. Seems nothing has changed.
If your interest is genuine in my answers to this question and others you presumably now intend to simply repeat over and over and over again, see here Thread 171350 and here Thread 171595 and other recent threads.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkPeople can judge for themselves. Maybe they will think you are right.
Oh yes I remember your genuine answers where you claimed you didn't like my use of the word 'objective' and where you continually dodged the question. Seems nothing has changed.
Originally posted by FMFI will rephrase the question without using the words 'absolute' or 'objective'. People can judge for themselves whether or not you will dodge it again.
People can judge for themselves. Maybe they will think you are right.
Do any actions automatically have moral value, such as rape being wrong, or is the moral value assigned by people?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkSome actions do indeed have automatic moral value,......but this automatic (ingrained) moral value is still assigned by people.
I will rephrase the question without using the words 'absolute' or 'objective'. People can judge for themselves whether or not you will dodge it again.
Do any actions automatically have moral value, such as rape being wrong, or is the moral value assigned by people?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou're just going over the same ground over and over again. I have already shared my viewpoint and my explanation for it. Repeatedly so.
I will rephrase the question without using the words 'absolute' or 'objective'. People can judge for themselves whether or not you will dodge it again.
Do any actions automatically have moral value, such as rape being wrong, or is the moral value assigned by people?
Originally posted by FMF"Well we already know what your and Fetchmyjunk's personal opinions about "moral absolutes" are,.."
Well we already know what your and Fetchmyjunk's personal opinions about "moral absolutes" are, and we know what the personal opinions of people like me and Ghost of a Duke are about "moral absolutes". These personal opinions are all that you, me, Fetchmyjunk and Ghost of a Duke can offer on the topic. This sharing is all that's going on here.
Meanwhile, in t ...[text shortened]... you are willing to answer - about what moral dimension you see in the use of capital punishment?
No we don't know!
What moral absolutes are exists independently of personal opinions. Personal opinions does not an absolute moral make.
I've shared with you, and everyone else, what an absolute moral standard is, not my personal opinion of it. We haven't even begun to scratch the surface yet.
Originally posted by FMF"Meanwhile, in this case I am asking him - and you, if you are willing to answer - about what moral dimension you see in the use of capital punishment?"
Well we already know what your and Fetchmyjunk's personal opinions about "moral absolutes" are, and we know what the personal opinions of people like me and Ghost of a Duke are about "moral absolutes". These personal opinions are all that you, me, Fetchmyjunk and Ghost of a Duke can offer on the topic. This sharing is all that's going on here.
Meanwhile, in t ...[text shortened]... you are willing to answer - about what moral dimension you see in the use of capital punishment?
I appeal to the absolute moral standard instituted by God.
Genesis 9:5,6
And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
It seems simple enough. In the case of first degree intentional homicide capital punishment is required and justified. Allowing a murderer to go unpunished diminishes the dignity of man and is an affront to God man's maker.