1. Standard memberDasa
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    Scientists are discussing the nature of reality. They have made a discovery in physics pointing to the possibility that the universe is not billions of light-years across as astronomers speculate but may be quite small. So they are speculating that when we look out in the sky at night we may be looking at some sort of projection, similar to what you would see in a planetarium. It looks like the vast night sky but is actually just a piece of film in the projector… Some are speculating that we may actually be living in a computer simulation, something like we see depicted in the move “The Matrix.”
    “If recent measurements of cosmic ray particles are correct, then we may have the first evidence that the universe as we know it is really a giant computer simulation.” (wired.co.uk)

    Of course this is all useless speculation but it does bring up the question as to what is the nature of reality?

    As scientists are starting to realize we can not trust our senses to understand the nature of reality because if we were living in a computer simulation then the computer would provide realistic inputs to all our senses and we would think that was ‘real’. But it is simulated, not real. So we can not trust our senses. They can be very easily fooled.

    The way to get knowledge of the true nature of reality is finding a perfect source of knowledge that does not depend on our imperfect senses. And that perfect source of knowledge is the Vedas. The Vedas are aparusa, it means not a product of man. They descend from the Supreme Lord and therefore contain knowledge of the nature of reality independent of the information we can gather from our material senses.

    So what is the nature of reality? It is most certainly not a computer simulation. We try to understand things in relation to our own experience. So we have computers here in the material world, we can understand them to some extent, so we are projecting that on the universe and speculating the universe may be a computer simulation. But this computer technology is very crude and primitive compared to the technology which is used to run the universe. The workings of the universe are avan manasa gocara, “Beyond the ability of the senses to perceive and beyond the ability of the mind to imagine.” So without some external and perfect source of knowledge like the Vedas we can not even imagine what the true nature of reality is.

    What scientists are pondering when the think of the ‘the nature of reality’, is the nature of this material world we find ourselves in. Paradoxically the Vedas call this material world maya, which means ‘that which is not’. So the scientists have accepted maya or illusion as reality and are trying to understand that… Therefore right from the beginning they are off to a bad start.

    So why does the Vedas refer to this world as maya or illusory? At the same time as referring to this world as illusory the Vedas also assert that it is an energy of the Supreme Lord and in that sense is real, not false.

    The actual ‘nature of reality’ [of the material world] is it is a reflection of something very real. Everything that we see and experience here in the material world is very real, but not here, it is real in the spiritual world. What we experience here is a reflection of the reality of the spiritual world. If you look in a mirror you see a reflection of your face. That reflection is on the glass. It is a clear reflection, it is a clear image of your face. But if you were to look into moving water you would also see a reflection of your face, but your face would be distorted because of the movement of the water it was being reflected on.

    So the Vedas state that this material world is a reflection of the spiritual world, but it is a perverted reflection, because it is reflected on desire, our desire.

    In the spiritual world there is only one desire, and that is the desire to serve the Supreme Lord, Krishna. Of course there everyone is an individual with his own personality and everyone’s desire to serve Krishna manifests differently depending on their personality. We all have an eternal relationship with Krishna and our natural constitutional position is to be situated in the spiritual world serving Krishna in our own individual and personal relationship with Krishna.

    Our relationship with Krishna is based on love. So love means we have to be free to choose not to love Krishna if we desire that. Otherwise there is no meaning to love. If I take a gun and point it at you and try to force you to love me, that is not love. Love has to be voluntary. So this love for Krishna is our pure desire, but we can also misuse our independence and pervert our natural desires and instead of loving Krishna we can desire to become like Krishna who is the object of everyone’s love and affection.

    Of course Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and He is unlimited in every respect. So we can never really become like Krishna as we are limited in every respect. In every way Krishna is great and we are tiny. But we are the same substance as Krishna. It is like Krishna is the ocean and we are a tiny drop of the ocean water. The ocean is salty and also the tiny drop is salty. But there is a huge amount of salt in the ocean and only a very tiny amount of salt in the drop. You can not say the drop of water is equal to the ocean.

    Krishna is the supreme controller of everything so we also have that desire to control within us, because we have the qualities of Krishna in minute quantities. But our natural position is to serve the great, serve Krishna. However there are living entities, like us, who misuse our independence, and want to try to become the lord and master like Krishna. So this is a perverted desire.

    Therefore this material world is a perverted reflection of the spiritual world and the substance on which it is reflected is desire, our desire. The reflection is perverted and distorted by our desire. There is no actual substance here in the material world. That is why it is called maya, “that which is not.” Because here we see a perverted reflection of the real things from the spiritual world, not the actual real things.

    The material world is described as being like a tree with it’s roots up and branches down. Of course we can not see any trees with their roots up and branches down… Unless you are sitting on the bank of a lake. Then if you look in the water you will see the reflections of the trees on the bank of the river, but they will be upside-down, with the roots up and branches down. And the reflection of the trees will be on the water and will be distorted or perverted by the movements of the water.

    Now those trees that are reflected in the water look just like real trees. If they were mango trees then you could even see the ripe mango fruits in the reflection. But those mangos are not real, it is only a reflection on the water. You could jump into the lake and try to grab those mangos in the reflected trees but you would never be able to get any actual mangoes… You could not taste the mangoes.

    This material world is just like that. We see here reflections of real things that we can only actually achieve in the spiritual world and we become captivated by those reflections and work very hard to try and posses those reflected mangoes and only after so much ‘blood, sweat and tears’ we end up with a handful of water only and the actual mangoes we do not know where they have gone… They vanish like a mirage in the desert.

    We have of the idea of ‘love’. And we get the idea of ‘beauty’. And we have the idea of ‘falling in love’ with a ‘a beautiful woman’… These are all realities in the spiritual world but in the material world we only see perverted reflections of these realities. We can never actually experience love in the material word. All of these concepts are illusions here. A ‘beautiful woman’ is just a bag of bones and blood and puss and stool and urine in a nice fresh young skin. So we fall in love with that skin, and very soon the skin of the ‘beautiful woman’ changes and we do not like it any more. The skin becomes old and ugly… And this illusory ‘love’ simply slips through our fingers, just like that reflected mango in the lake…

    Everything in the material world is based on the misconception of identifying the body as the self. I think I am an “Australian Man”, but I have nothing to do with Australia or a man. It just happens that in this birth I, the spirit soul, have appeared in Australia as a male in the human species. But I have had millions and millions of births in so many different bodies in so many different species of life in so many planets and so many universes. And I am so forgetful and so illusioned that I have forgotten everything about my real nature as a spirit soul and I am identifying with the particular material body that I happen to have taken birth in this life, so I think “I am an Australian man…”

    So the ‘nature of reality’ in the material world is there is no reality here. It is simply a reflection of a reality from the spiritual world and there is no substance in this reflection. It reflected on our desire, so in that sense we have created the material world we live in. Everyone has their own ‘reality’ [which is actually an illusion] and we are simply sharing space with others in this collective ‘reality’ so that we can cooperatively play the necessary parts in each others ‘realities’ in such a way that everyone is able to experience their karma.

    Almost everything is an illusion in the material world. The idea that we are free and independent and can do whatever we want to do is also an illusion. The reality is we are completely bound up and controlled by the three modes of material nature. This material world is the ultimate justice. In the human form of life we have a limited amount of free will. So we are responsible for our actions. If we choose to do something good then the result is ‘go...
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    08 Nov '15 01:331 edit
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Scientists are discussing the nature of reality. They have made a discovery in physics pointing to the possibility that the universe is not billions of light-years across as astronomers speculate but may be quite small. So they are speculating that when we look out in the sky at night we may be looking at some sort of projection, similar to what you would see i ...[text shortened]... we are responsible for our actions. If we choose to do something good then the result is ‘go...
    For the benefit of others, this piece of writing you are passing off as your own here (by not giving any form of attribution) came from:
    http://www.ariseindiaforum.org/is-the-universe-a-computer-simulation-the-nature-of-reality/


    But anyway, you almost have me sold ... just prove, rigorously, that the vedas are not man made and it's a done deal. Good luck!
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    08 Nov '15 01:42
    Plagiarism is both theft and deceit.
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    08 Nov '15 08:17
    Originally posted by FMF
    Plagiarism is both theft and deceit.
    The biggest indicator that the OP wasn't original text from Dasa was the lack of dramatic...............pauses.
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    "Reality is nothing but a collective hunch." -- Lily Tomlin as Trudy in The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe (written by Jane Wagner)
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    11 Nov '15 23:20
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    The biggest indicator that the OP wasn't original text from Dasa was the lack of dramatic...............pauses.
    Everything I submit has its roots in Vedic knowledge.

    You all know this.

    Your comments are envious and childish.

    Now..................did anyone learn anything?

    WHY NOT??????????????????
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    12 Nov '15 08:461 edit
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Everything I submit has its roots in Vedic knowledge.

    You all know this.

    Your comments are envious and childish.

    Now..................did anyone learn anything?

    WHY NOT??????????????????
    People are more open to learning when they are not preached at or shouted at.

    Are you open to learning something?
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    12 Nov '15 21:49
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Everything I submit has its roots in Vedic knowledge.

    You all know this.

    Your comments are envious and childish.

    Now..................did anyone learn anything?

    WHY NOT??????????????????
    not envious, just cheap shots
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    12 Nov '15 21:50
    "Reality" is subject to everyone's perspective-no matter how similar it may seem from the others' points of vies
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    13 Nov '15 18:05
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Everything I submit has its roots in Vedic knowledge.

    You all know this.

    Your comments are envious and childish.

    Now..................did anyone learn anything?

    WHY NOT??????????????????
    I didn't learn anything because I already know everything. roflmao
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    14 Nov '15 06:16
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Scientists are discussing the nature of reality. They have made a discovery in physics pointing to the possibility that the universe is not billions of light-years across as astronomers speculate but may be quite small. So they are speculating that when we look out in the sky at night we may be looking at some sort of projection, similar to what you would see i ...[text shortened]... we are responsible for our actions. If we choose to do something good then the result is ‘go...
    As much as I'm relatively sure you don't wish to be accosiated to JW's in any way, you're posts routinely come off as such.

    I suspect it's the nature of the interwebz.

    like talking to some unknown on the phone, in the absence of that personal direct contact, it becomes much harder to trust/understand people as easily.

    It is said communication is around 75% unspoken
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    14 Nov '15 06:18
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    not envious, just cheap shots
    Drawing attention his plagiarism is a "cheap shot"?
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    14 Nov '15 06:20
    Originally posted by josephw
    I didn't learn anything because I already know everything. roflmao
    What's my shoe size and which part of my feet are accentuated?
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    14 Nov '15 15:561 edit
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    What's my shoe size and which part of my feet are accentuated?
    Size 11 and you are flat footed.
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    14 Nov '15 22:401 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    Drawing attention his plagiarism is a "cheap shot"?
    no,not that. However it is quite irrelevant in this thread.
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