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Originally posted by daniel58take the beam out of your own eye before trying to remove the speck from your nieghbors
YES!
Originally posted by darvlayI think the question should be asked, should those of faith rebuke those who are not of faith regarding their sin? Can the two even agree to the term "sin"?
So you'd approach some homosexual couple on the street, who are minding their own business, and tell them to their face how they are living in sin and should be ashamed of themselves?
You would do that? Or at least you feel that this should be done?
Originally posted by whodeyGood question. I am not a Christian. I just wonder why some Christians call gay people sinners and want to rebuke them. Where did Christ call them sinners or rebuked them? It seems to me pretty arrogant when followers of Christ seem to know better than Him.
I think the question should be asked, should those of faith rebuke those who are not of faith regarding their sin? Can the two even agree to the term "sin"?
Looking at Christs example, we do not see him rebuking sinners....unless it was those who were the religious leaders of his day. As for the religious leaders, they knew perfectly well what sin was bu ...[text shortened]... he same. For the average sinner, he simply became a shepherd to the lost, not the rebellious.
Originally posted by souvereinIn short, according to the Bible, Christ did not comdemn the world for their sin, rather, he came to convict them of their sin. He came to be a light into the world so that others would be attracted and also become lights themselves. However, when it came to those who proported to be lights unto the world and who were not, he turned ugly!! ðŸ˜
Good question. I am not a Christian. I just wonder why some Christians call gay people sinners and want to rebuke them. Where did Christ call them sinners or rebuked them? It seems to me pretty arrogant when followers of Christ seem to know better than Him.
Besides that we live in a open society with many different believes and disbelieves. Does it make ...[text shortened]... of different Faith because they do not live according to the standard of your own belief system?
Originally posted by whodeyUgly? Really?
... However, when it came to those who proported to be lights unto the world and who were not, he turned ugly!! ðŸ˜
After all, the message and "light" is confusing if it is preached with hypocrisy. How then is one to know if the message is "true" if it is preaced without example?
Originally posted by whodeyAfter all, the message and "light" is confusing if it is preached with hypocrisy. How then is one to know if the message is "true" if it is preaced without example?
In short, according to the Bible, Christ did not comdemn the world for their sin, rather, he came to convict them of their sin. He came to be a light into the world so that others would be attracted and also become lights themselves. However, when it came to those who proported to be lights unto the world and who were not, he turned ugly!! ðŸ˜
After all, pocrisy. How then is one to know if the message is "true" if it is preaced without example?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneHope you don't mind me butting in here......
[b]After all, the message and "light" is confusing if it is preached with hypocrisy. How then is one to know if the message is "true" if it is preaced without example?
You've shown time and again what a hypocrite and bigot you are. You advocate actively rebuking homosexuals for their "sin", yet you wouldn't actively rebuke the obese for their glutt ...[text shortened]... you but one of "those who proport to be lights unto the world and who [are] not"?[/b]
Originally posted by knightmeisterI recently re-read Antigone, and the end of your post reminded me of the "all or nothing" polar opposites in Antigone and Creon. Meanwhile Haemon and the chorus are pleading for reason and thoughtfulness to win out. When people refuse to listen to reasonable arguments, tragedy will inevitably ensue.
Hope you don't mind me butting in here......
Whilst I can see exactly what you mean , I guess in his mind Whodey doesn't see it as hypocrisy. I think the churches attitude towards homosexuality is backward and quite appalling at times , but I know some good , solid people who hold these type of views.
I think it's because a) they haven't thought ...[text shortened]... air comment? Don't you think sometimes you can throw the baby out with the bath water?
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesRB's confused "bukake" for "rebuke". They are pretty close and I can see how he made the mistake.
I can totally picture it.
Originally posted by knightmeisterI think my mistake was discussing this with a nonbeliever like TOO. What possible reason would I do such a thing when they are outside the Christian faith? I would not approach a nonbeliever in such a way as I would a believer. Again, Jesus approached and rebuked the religious leaders of this day for their hyporcrisy because they were leading people astray. That is why I support confronting the religious leaders ONLY who I think have gone astray.
Hope you don't mind me butting in here......
Whilst I can see exactly what you mean , I guess in his mind Whodey doesn't see it as hypocrisy. I think the churches attitude towards homosexuality is backward and quite appalling at times , but I know some good , solid people who hold these type of views.
I think it's because a) they haven't thought ...[text shortened]... air comment? Don't you think sometimes you can throw the baby out with the bath water?
Originally posted by hakimaWhat do you call publically calling the religous leaders a brood of vipors and hypocrites? What about taking a whip to them?
Ugly? Really?
Isn't that a subjective concept?
IMO, Christ pretty much loved the dim lights too...
Which seems pretty beautiful to me...
Beauty...another subjective concept.
Originally posted by whodeySo now it's only "leaders". Not too long ago it was also members. And if I recall correctly at one time it was any homosexual that would attend your church.
I think my mistake was discussing this with a nonbeliever like TOO. What possible reason would I do such a thing when they are outside the Christian faith? I would not approach a nonbeliever in such a way as I would a believer. Again, Jesus approached and rebuked the religious leaders of this day for their hyporcrisy because they were leading people astray his words were harsh, they were spot on and meant to effect change and was grounded in love.
Originally posted by knightmeisterEven if whodey "doesn't see it as hypocrisy" or bigotry does it make it any less so? Lot's of racists don't think they are bigoted either. Like whodey, they believe that so long as THEY "keep their place" everything is fine.
Hope you don't mind me butting in here......
Whilst I can see exactly what you mean , I guess in his mind Whodey doesn't see it as hypocrisy. I think the churches attitude towards homosexuality is backward and quite appalling at times , but I know some good , solid people who hold these type of views.
I think it's because a) they haven't thought air comment? Don't you think sometimes you can throw the baby out with the bath water?