Originally posted by twhitehead
You mean "Since relativity theory is true". I am afraid there can be no question about the aspect you are discussing ie time contaction/dilation.
[b]So, the age that people on Earth are, and the age that people on the spacecraft are, doesn't seem to have a unique answer: it all depends on an observer's point of reference,
But that is nothing new. ...[text shortened]... ckwards through time (unless there is something about black holes we dont know about)[/b]
This suggests that there is a determinate future waiting for the Earthbound, that from some perspectives this future has already happened. --pawk----
Er yes. From the perspective of tommorow, today has already happened.
But what do we mean by 'already'? And what do we mean by 'happened'. Those are the core of the problem and where knightmeister keeps tying himself in knots.-----whitey----
However , if time really is relative then one could say that for God our future has already happened but for us it hasn't. This seems contradictory because we want to ask " well , which one is true???"
But what if an event could be said to BOTH have "already happened" and ALSO "not happened" and for both these statements to be true and not mutually exclusive.
Instinctively we see this as a contradiction and logically impossible because we are so attached to the idea that TIME is a constant overarching phenomenon that is consistent across all points of existence. We search for some Newtonian constant that brings it all together , but what if that is not true?
What if for us our future really hasn't happened and for God it has already happened and these are both true and valid. Normally we would think "well either something has happened or it hasn't" but looking at time relatively could mean that this is the wrong question to ask.