Originally posted by scottishinnzThis is a neat mental trick but really you are just back to something out of nothing which defies causality. But causality is about more than just time , it's about things existing for a reason ...which is the basis for rational logic. If you break this up you saw off the very branch from which you argue. Unless you think that something coming from nothing makes any rational sense. You could of course say the universe is eternal instead , but that would be to admit the concept of eternity which you probably don't want to do.
Not at all. Hume just didn't realise that all your (fallacious) deductive arguments about the Big Bang are precisely fallacious because time didn't exist prior to the Big Bang, therefore neither did the need for causality.
You talk as if it's time that creates causality rather than causality creating time. Have you considered that time doesn't exist anyway? Where is it? What's it made of?
Originally posted by knightmeisterThis stupid s**t AGAIN.
This is a neat mental trick but really you are just back to something out of nothing which defies causality. But causality is about more than just time , it's about things existing for a reason ...which is the basis for rational logic. If you break this up you saw off the very branch from which you argue. Unless you think that something coming from not ...[text shortened]... g time. Have you considered that time doesn't exist anyway? Where is it? What's it made of?
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Originally posted by no1marauderWe are only predisposed to be helpful and cooperative in whatever
Humans are inherently predisposed to being helpful and cooperative to others i.e. to perform "good".
our socialization tells us in our propinquity group. That is, our
natural inclination to be helpful is constrained by however our
particular society defines 'us.' Generally, this is a product of geography;
but it also extends to percevied significant differences, such as
race or defining social characteristics like religion.
This inclination to limit it to a propinquity group is also natural; that is,
the development of an 'us versus other' within the human species has
a biological impetus also.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioThat our natural inclinations are "constrained" by societal factors doesn't mean that they are not our natural inclinations.
We are only predisposed to be helpful and cooperative in whatever
our socialization tells us in our propinquity group. That is, our
natural inclination to be helpful is constrained by however our
particular society defines 'us.' Generally, this is a product of geography;
but it also extends to percevied significant differences, such as
race or defi ...[text shortened]... of an 'us versus other' within the human species has
a biological impetus also.
Nemesio
Originally posted by knightmeistertime is space. it exists .
This is a neat mental trick but really you are just back to something out of nothing which defies causality. But causality is about more than just time , it's about things existing for a reason ...which is the basis for rational logic. If you break this up you saw off the very branch from which you argue. Unless you think that something coming from not ...[text shortened]... g time. Have you considered that time doesn't exist anyway? Where is it? What's it made of?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThen it wouldn't be "cruel". If a lion grabbed a human child and ate the child it wouldn't be cruel - if you did it would be. That's a function of our natures.
If animals were to act in the same manner as a human, when said human is acting in a manner that most humans would classify as 'cruel.'
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Originally posted by knightmeisterWhat is time made of?
No , space is space. It's made of carbon, atoms , quarks , plasma , gravity etc etc. Time is a human concept that describes chain reactions of events following from the big bang. What is time made of?
The letters t, i, m, and e 😉
seriously though, what is 'horizontal' made of....what is 'vertical' made of...what is 'depth' made of???
Things are defined in terms of dimensions...the dimensions are not objects. (nor do I hold that they could be manipulated by a certain hypothetical *special friend*)
Originally posted by AgergSome things can be said to be mental constructs anfd others are real. There is a thing called "depth" but it's not made of anything but an ocean is made of lots of H2O. So you are right to distinguish things as either being objects or not. Time is not an object , unless you happen to know it's chemical compound?
[b]What is time made of?
The letters t, i, m, and e 😉
seriously though, what is 'horizontal' made of....what is 'vertical' made of...what is 'depth' made of???
Things are defined in terms of dimensions...the dimensions are not objects. (nor do I hold that they could be manipulated by a certain hypothetical *special friend*)[/b]
By the way I never said God manipulates the dimesnion of time anymore than I said that the sphere manipulates the circle. Get your facts straight.
Originally posted by no1marauderActually, if a lion grabbed a child and ate him, anyone who knows anything about lions would assume that the lion was acting in accord with its own instincts (especially if the child were portly).
Then it wouldn't be "cruel". If a lion grabbed a human child and ate the child it wouldn't be cruel - if you did it would be. That's a function of our natures.
However, if a lion grabbed a child and slowly tortured him to an eventual death--- making sport of the kill in an obvious display of delight--- we would consider that abnormal behavior. Cruel behavior.
Originally posted by FreakyKBH...unless the child was a heretic, in which case it would not be torture at all, and although condemned by most, given the quiet nod by the appropriate authorities and henceforth forgotton about.
Actually, if a lion grabbed a child and ate him, anyone who knows anything about lions would assume that the lion was acting in accord with its own instincts (especially if the child were portly).
However, if a lion grabbed a child and slowly tortured him to an eventual death--- making sport of the kill in an obvious display of delight--- we would consider that abnormal behavior. Cruel behavior.