Science and Religion

Originally posted by Starrman
And you are being closed minded enough to miss that whilst Einstein believed in God, he disagreed about your brand of Christianity as an institution. For him it was as simple as 'if God exists, then he exists and that is all I need to know'. Even as an atheist, I respect this view.

Who said I agree with organised religion?

Originally posted by Halitose
Pulled.

The race quote being made to point out that so called civilized nations have only found more civilized ways of killing each other. The base human nature remains the same. A cursory scan of the history of this past century would suffice.

Yes, I'm inclined to agree with you on both counts.

If we are being pulled from the futrure though, why
is it important to choose?

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
Yes, I'm inclined to agree with you on both counts.

If we are being pulled from the futrure though, why
is it important to choose?

Because God created man as a creature that can willingly choose to serve Him or not...

Originally posted by Halitose
I'd be interested to see your source here, because to my knowledge Einstein was an outspoken Theist...

Letter, 24 March 1954. Quoted in "Albert Einstein: The Human Side," edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman

Originally posted by frogstomp
Letter, 24 March 1954. Quoted in "Albert Einstein: The Human Side," edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman

Evolution is lame , blind and dumb.

Quoting "Frogstomp" -edited by dj2becker.

Originally posted by frogstomp
Letter, 24 March 1954. Quoted in "Albert Einstein: The Human Side," edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman

Interesting. Doesn't prove it for me either way yet.

Here's another I found:

"In the temple of science are many mansions, and various indeed are they that dwell therein and the motives that have led them hither. Many take to science out of a joyful sense of superior intellectual power; science is their own special sport to which t hey look for vivid experience and the satisfaction of ambition; many others are to be found in the temple who have offered the products of their brains on this altar for purely utilitarian purposes. Were an angel of the Lord to come and drive all the people belonging to these two categories out of the temple, the assemblage would be seriously depleted, but there would still be some men, of both present and past times, left inside"

- Albert Einstein -

Edit1: It seems like he might have been a Pantheist though...

Originally posted by Halitose
Because God created man as a creature that can willingly choose to serve Him or not...

And service through God is the service of good right?
Evolution aside, do you believe in history? This is a serious
question as personally, I don't.

But if you do believe in history you will see it is littered
with the remains of animal behaviour (upto and including
today).

If Gods goal is to pull us towards the divine then we would
have to agree that there is a push from history relating to
the animal from the past.

We could then say the the past represents evil and the future
represents divinity in Gods eyes. A very Utopian viewpoint.

So where does free choice come from? Does man really
have a choice between these two enormous forces?

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
And service through God is the service of good right?
Evolution aside, do you believe in history? This is a serious
question as personally, I don't.

But if you do believe in history you will see it is littered
with the remains of animal behaviour (upto and including
today).

If Gods goal is to pull us towards the divine then we would
have to agr ...[text shortened]... re does free choice come from? Does man really
have a choice between these two enormous forces?

[b]And service through God is the service of good right?
Evolution aside, do you believe in history? This is a serious
question as personally, I don't.[/b]

Service to God is obeying the commands of Christ. I believe in History.

"He who does not learn from History is sure to repeat it"
- I can't remember -

But if you do believe in history you will see it is littered
with the remains of animal behaviour (upto and including
today)

Agree with you there, but you will also see a lot of good if you look for it.

If Gods goal is to pull us towards the divine then we would
have to agree that there is a push from history relating to
the animal from the past.

That's where I differ with you. Each person starts off at exactly the same point as any of his/her ancestors and has to make the same decisions for or against God. The level of divinity (so to say) starts over with each generation.

Technology and knowledge is passed on of course.

We could then say the the past represents evil and the future
represents divinity in Gods eyes. A very Utopian viewpoint.

I think man is just as depraved as he has always been, he's just become more technologically advanced.

So where does free choice come from? Does man really
have a choice between these two enormous forces?

I believe there is an element of man pulling him towards God, but it is each and every decision in life that leads him towards or away from God.