1. Standard memberHalitose
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    Science without Religion is lame; Religion without Science is blind;

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    30 Aug '05 08:46
    Originally posted by Halitose
    Science without Religion is lame; Religion without Science is blind;

    - Albert Einstein -
    creation science is lame , blind and dumb.

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    30 Aug '05 08:58
    Originally posted by frogstomp
    creation science is lame , blind and dumb.

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    it's not so much dumb as that, well, when it does speak nobody listens...
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    30 Aug '05 08:59
    Originally posted by frogstomp
    creation science is lame , blind and dumb.

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    The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.

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  5. Standard memberHalitose
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    30 Aug '05 09:01
    Originally posted by frogstomp
    creation science is lame , blind and dumb.

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    I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.

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    30 Aug '05 09:36
    Before we can understand what we are looking at, we need to know more about how the instruments that observe operate.

    This to me is where science and religion meet.
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    Isn't the real question of God about sentience rather than existence?

    If we are to say 'God is', this means that God is everywhere and is
    everything. I doubt anyone of us would deny that even in a metaphysical sense 'we are', 'I think therefor I am'...

    So if that statement were to stand alone, even athieists and agnostics
    would have to agree that it is true.

    The problems arise when we attribute morals and meanings to his
    actions. 'God is cruel', 'God is good'. These are stipulations placed
    on society in order to control it, without these controls society would
    not have evolved to todays world.

    Like any good lie, the bible it is mixed heavily with the truth.
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    30 Aug '05 09:53
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    Isn't the real question of God about sentience rather than existence?

    If we are to say 'God is', this means that God is everywhere and is
    everything. I doubt anyone of us would deny that even in a metaphysical sense 'we are', 'I think therefor I am'...

    So if that statement were to stand alone, even athieists and agnostics
    would have to agree ...[text shortened]... ave evolved to todays world.

    Like any good lie, the bible it is mixed heavily with the truth.
    Like any good lie, the bible it is mixed heavily with the truth.

    I feel the same way about evolution...
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    30 Aug '05 09:56
    Really? Would you say that we are being pushed or pulled?
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    30 Aug '05 10:001 edit
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    Really? Would you say that we are being pushed or pulled?
    In which direction?

    There are many humorous things in the world: among them the white man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages.

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    30 Aug '05 10:10
    Originally posted by Halitose
    In which direction?

    There are many humorous things in the world: among them the white man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages.

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    Pushed forward from the past by evolution or pulled forward to the future by a sentient being?

    Don't understand the relevence of race there??
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    30 Aug '05 10:16
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    Pushed forward from the past by evolution or pulled forward to the future by a sentient being?

    Don't understand the relevence of race there??
    Pulled.

    The race quote being made to point out that so called civilized nations have only found more civilized ways of killing each other. The base human nature remains the same. A cursory scan of the history of this past century would suffice.
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    30 Aug '05 10:19
    Originally posted by Halitose
    I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.

    - Albert Einstein -
    A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
    Albert Einstein

    A human being is part of a whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest--a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.
    Albert Einstein

    My sense of God is my sense of wonder about the Universe.
    Albert Einstein

    If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs, it would be Buddhism.
    Albert Einstein

    It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
    Albert Einstein
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    30 Aug '05 10:241 edit
    Originally posted by frogstomp
    A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
    Albert Einstein

    A human being is part of a whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. ...[text shortened]... admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
    Albert Einstein
    I'd be interested to see your source here, because to my knowledge Einstein was an outspoken Theist...
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    30 Aug '05 10:551 edit
    Originally posted by Halitose
    I'd be interested to see your source here, because to my knowledge Einstein was an outspoken Theist...
    And you are being closed minded enough to miss that whilst Einstein believed in God, he disagreed about your brand of Christianity as an institution. For him it was as simple as 'if God exists, then he exists and that is all I need to know'. Even as an atheist, I respect this view.
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