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@bigdogg saidIf you look at how mechanism is defined and what matches it is what we see in many things we build not just the digital world, choosing to ignore what is happening in biology puts you and Dawkins in the same place. You can admit it is there to see, but deny nonetheless. Denying it is not an answer, without being able to explain why!
"But moonbus! My argument by analogy has so many parallels! So many details that line up, that the two things I'm comparing have to be the same!"
"All you have is denial of my bad argument, nothing more!!"
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@kellyjay saidYou're the one who's ignoring what's happening in biology.
If you look at how mechanism is defined and what matches it is what we see in many things we build not just the digital world, choosing to ignore what is happening in biology puts you and Dawkins in the same place. You can admit it is there to see, but deny nonetheless. Denying it is not an answer, without being able to explain why!
I've watched this forum a long time. People have tried to explain this stuff to you over and over again, for years. You steadfastly refuse to get it.
There is an excellent biblical phrase for this situation - "ears to hear". You don't have 'em. Never have.
@bigdogg saidBlaa, blaa, blaa what is going on in biology is what I'm talking about and you go "ears to hear."
You're the one who's ignoring what's happening in biology.
I've watched this forum a long time. People have tried to explain this stuff to you over and over again, for years. You steadfastly refuse to get it.
There is an excellent biblical phrase for this situation - "ears to hear". You don't have 'em. Never have.
What definition do you use when you talk about mechanisms, how do you define what is going on in life where blood clotting starts and stops, where blood sugar is regulated biologically?
How about you explain this stuff without using design terminology? Do you think there is no information processing being done when start stops occur among other biological processes that require regulation
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@kellyjay saidNo biological process "requires regulation." You're projecting, again.
Blaa, blaa, blaa what is going on in biology is what I'm talking about and you go "ears to hear."
What definition do you use when you talk about mechanisms, how do you define what is going on in life where blood clotting starts and stops, where blood sugar is regulated biologically?
How about you explain this stuff without using design terminology? Do you think there i ...[text shortened]... rocessing being done when start stops occur among other biological processes that require regulation
@bigdogg saidI refuse to accept mindlessness in building extremely complex functions and forms from molecular scratch pieced together by chance without caring about the outcome, without monitoring an outcome, without planning for an outcome without any chemical molecular process that could arrange that instead of entropy.
You're the one who's ignoring what's happening in biology.
I've watched this forum a long time. People have tried to explain this stuff to you over and over again, for years. You steadfastly refuse to get it.
There is an excellent biblical phrase for this situation - "ears to hear". You don't have 'em. Never have.
Those who look at life and the fine-tuning of the universe and say it is what it is without going into the details at the wonder of it, are not taking this seriously at all of the possible other outcomes that could have taken place. I ran across a quote from Philosopher John Leslie I'll paraphrase it, that speaks about the anthropic principle against design. If you were in front of a firing squad with fifty guns all trained on you and they shot and all miss. Would you be surprised, if you were still alive? Had a single bullet hit and killed you, you wouldn't be there to wonder about it, but you are alive. Why wonder about the 50 misses if they were deliberate or not?
@kellyjay saidRefusal to accept facts is your whole mindset in a nutshell. If you had a working transcendental causality detector which clearly showed the Hand of God jiggling molecules, I'd change my mind. But you won't change your mind no matter what the evidence shows, and there's the difference between us.
I refuse to accept mindlessness in building extremely complex functions and forms from molecular scratch pieced together by chance without caring about the outcome, without monitoring an outcome, without planning for an outcome without any chemical molecular process that could arrange that instead of entropy.
Those who look at life and the fine-tuning of the universe and ...[text shortened]... wonder about it, but you are alive. Why wonder about the 50 misses if they were deliberate or not?
@moonbus saidYou are the one ignoring specialized work in biology not me.
Refusal to accept facts is your whole mindset in a nutshell. If you had a working transcendental causality detector which clearly showed the Hand of God jiggling molecules, I'd change my mind. But you won't change your mind no matter what the evidence shows, and there's the difference between us.
@moonbus saidIt is quite simple a healthy body does something that someone with type one diabetes or two cannot do or do as well as required. Explain what and why please!
Refusal to accept facts is your whole mindset in a nutshell. If you had a working transcendental causality detector which clearly showed the Hand of God jiggling molecules, I'd change my mind. But you won't change your mind no matter what the evidence shows, and there's the difference between us.