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Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind

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…The motivations behind some posts can be interpreted as being pride driven or even hateful at times.. . .…

-but not most; sometimes it is motivated by a desire to put the record straight when science or something is misrepresented and sometimes it is motivated by atheists (like myself) trying to cure theists of their delusions (with no pride nor hate involved). If I hated all theists then I guess I would be so cruel as not to even attempt to cure them of any delusions they may have and thus stay silent whenever they express those delusions no matter how extreme those delusions are.

….And....

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
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I like the “religion without science is blind” part; it [inadvertently?] goes against the anti-science stance of many creationists. Einstein certainly was not a creationist.
But it is not really theism that bothers me but anti-science and, worse, anti-reason!
I always want to cure anyone of any anti-science/anti-reason delusions and this is personally the main motive behind most of my posts.

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I would be very careful in using Einstein's quotes about religion if I were you. He is not talking about your version of Christianity, or your conception of god.

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Was Einstein a theist at the first place? He wasn't a christian, for sure.

We have to think of the times he lived in. We are more enlightened today, compared with 100 years ago..

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I didn't respond to your posting at all, it was just a general remark.

You responded to mine with a rather informative posting.

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For those interested in the matter and want to dive deeper into it:

ENCYCLICAL LETTER
FIDES ET RATIO
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
JOHN PAUL II
TO THE BISHOPS
OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ON THE RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN FAITH AND REASON

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_15101998_fides-et-ratio_en.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fides_et_Ratio

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In the discussion about this subject ( ... the relationship between Faith and Reason) the Christian faith is almost always looked upon and narrowed down to the group of Christians calling themselves Evangelicals and/or creationists .... by doing this, equating the Evangelical/creationist stances with the Christian stances, one loses the so needed insight in this discussion that the Roman Catholic Church, representing a much larger amount of Christians (... 1,000,000,000 people), accepts and discusses this scientific theory of evolution on a regular basis. The RC Church does not reject the evolution theory at all.

The RC Church is a fervent promoter of science:

For instance:

The Pope adressing the PONTIFICAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES, Friday, 31 October 2008:

"In choosing the topic Scientific Insight into the Evolution of the Universe and of Life, you seek to focus on an area of enquiry which elicits much interest. In fact, many of our contemporaries today wish to reflect upon the ultimate origin of beings, their cause and their end, and the meaning of human history and the universe."

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2008/october/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20081031_academy-sciences_en.html

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/documents/rc_pa_acdscien_doc_20000912_far-future_en.html

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Originally posted by ivanhoe
the Roman Catholic Church, representing a much larger amount of Christians (... 1,000,000,000 people)
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/01/23/20090123vatican-holocaust0123-ON.html

http://www.catholic.com/library/Homosexuality.asp

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1770,Catholic-condom-ban-helping-AIDS-spread-in-Latam-UN,Reuters

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0001.html

http://www.remnantofgod.org/evilewtn.htm

Do you really think a billion people in the world believe that burning a person alive can, under certain circumstances, be a good thing?

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Originally posted by FabianFnas
Was Einstein a theist at the first place? He wasn't a christian, for sure.

We have to think of the times he lived in. We are more enlightened today, compared with 100 years ago..
We are more enlightened today, compared with 100 years ago..

Looking around me and using my eyes I do not get that impression at all .....