1. Standard memberwittywonka
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    28 Apr '07 05:293 edits
    This may have been posted some time ago, but I thought I might share it nonetheless...I only learned about this recently, so if it is considered common knowledge, ignore me... 😛

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    http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/cosmic_evolution/docs/text/text_chem_5.html

    "Appreciating contemporary life is one thing, but understanding how it might have arisen from nonliving matter billons of years ago is quite another. Can we be sure that the basic ingredients for life were present, or would have naturally emerged, on primordial Earth? Furthermore, is it likely that those nonliving building blocks could have fashioned a simple living cell given the harsh conditions on our planet billions of years ago? These questions can best be studied in the laboratory, for the atmosphere and surface of today’s Earth differ greatly from those of the early Earth. Results of modern chemical experiments that mimic the geophysical environment on our young planet imply affirmative answers to these questions.

    First, imagine again the setting on primeval Earth nearly 4 billion years ago. Physics had done its job to form the planet, and chemistry was in high gear, but biology had yet to begin. As noted in the previous PLANETARY EPOCH, terrestrial gases interacted with one another, as well as with energy, thereby synthesizing bigger molecules. Nothing magical attends this rise in complexity, provided the environmental conditions weren’t overly adverse and the strength of energy reasonable. Chemistry in action can naturally yield the building blocks of life.

    With a test-tube-like contraption capable of holding water and some gase ... laboratory gear can be built to simulate Earth’s early ocean and atmosphere. The gases—usually a mixture of ammonia (NH3), methane (CH4), hydrogen (H), and sometimes carbon dioxide (CO2)—are meant to match the composition of the secondary atmosphere. Though toxic to present-day life, some blend of this gas was apparently just right for the origin of life.

    After several days of energizing the gases, a thick, reddish-brown, soupy material collects in the trap at the bottom of the apparatus. Chemical analyses show this slimy product—called “gunk” by some, “pond scum” by others—to contain molecules indeed more complex than the initial reactants at the start of the test. Be assured, no worms or maggots crawl out of this primordial soup—not yet anyway. Nor has a simple cell, or even a single strand of DNA, been made under test-tube conditions. But many of the molecular products that are made are among the known precursors of life. They include several of the amino acids and nucleotide bases comprising the building blocks of all modern life. Chemicals such as formaldehyde (H2CO) are also produced, as well as other molecules (e.g., hydrogen cyanide, HCN, and formic acid, H2CO2) that are known to be among the basic ingredients of life as we know it."

    So, what do you think?

    Edit -- The title of this thread was probably misleading...from what I am describing above, you probably know I meant the beginning of the organic molecules on which life begins...
  2. Subscribersonhouse
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    28 Apr '07 06:54
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    This may have been posted some time ago, but I thought I might share it nonetheless...I only learned about this recently, so if it is considered common knowledge, ignore me... 😛

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    http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/cosmic_evolution/docs/text/text_chem_5.html

    "Appreciating contem ...[text shortened]... bove, you probably know I meant the beginning of the organic molecules on which life begins...
    I did an experiment somewhat like that when I was 14. I had just passed my first ham license ticket, KN6QDT was my call back then.
    Anyway, I had some electronic stuff, train transformers and such.
    I took a dish of salt water and put in two carbon electrodes from a couple of D cell flashlight batteries on either end of this dish, which was small, about the size of a childs' cereal bowl, say about 3 inches across, and fed it with a few volts but a decent amount of current available from this huge train transformer, the biggest one Lionel made at the time. Even with only about 10 volts AC, 60Hz, it started frothing up pretty good, so I left it running like that and within a couple of weeks, replacing the water as it evaporated, it was clear there was a lot of organic matter developing in the bowl. I never did any analysis of the junk I produced but it was clear that adding energy to a simple brine solution and letting it run for a couple of weeks and I had in a crude way reproduced those same prebiotic life experiments but I did that in 1956! Not bad for a 14 yo, eh.
  3. Donationrwingett
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    28 Apr '07 07:05
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    This may have been posted some time ago, but I thought I might share it nonetheless...I only learned about this recently, so if it is considered common knowledge, ignore me... 😛

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    http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/cosmic_evolution/docs/text/text_chem_5.html

    "Appreciating contem ...[text shortened]... bove, you probably know I meant the beginning of the organic molecules on which life begins...
    The Miller-Urey experiment of 1953. It brings a nostalgic tear of joy to my eye...
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    28 Apr '07 13:02
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    After several days of energizing the gases, a thick, reddish-brown, soupy material collects in the trap at the bottom of the apparatus. Chemical analyses show this slimy product—called “gunk” by some, “pond scum” by others—to contain molecules indeed more complex than the initial reactants at the start of the test. Be assured, no worms or maggots crawl out o ...[text shortened]... above, you probably know I meant the beginning of the organic molecules on which life begins...[/b]
    Ironically, I have the same experiment occuring in my bathroom as we speak! If I have any results I will let you know......then again, if anything starts moving in there on its own I may start running and never come back. 😛
  5. Subscribersonhouse
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    28 Apr '07 17:16
    Originally posted by whodey
    Ironically, I have the same experiment occuring in my bathroom as we speak! If I have any results I will let you know......then again, if anything starts moving in there on its own I may start running and never come back. 😛
    But that wouldn't want that, falsify your own belief in the 'official' creation story. Therefore you were just joking. I guess you must be very firm in your belief system to be so secure.
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