08 Apr '05 09:05>
http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9403/evidence.html
Originally posted by DeepThoughtIn other words...
This isn't evidence. The argument is that because our theories of the universe neatly describe it God must exist. Of course our theories are neat, we've spent 300 years developing them. Mathematics was invented to describe the universe so we really shouldn't act all surprised when it does. Besides, Douglas Adams went through all this in the Hitchhiker's Guide - if you can prove God exists then he can't.
Originally posted by DarfiusIt's called a joke, I don't deny that you may be right - I just find it unlikely.
In other words...
"I won't believe in God because you can't prove it and if you do prove it, I can't believe in God! So there!"
Do I even need to comment on the absurdity of that?
Originally posted by Paul DiracGreat stuff, Paul. Thanks. I'll comment when I'm done.
Interesting link, to be sure. But for a different take on the situation, read some of Lee Smolin's writings.
I just searched for Smolin on the Net, and found this:
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/smolin_susskind04/smolin_susskind.html
Originally posted by DarfiusI think you're more likely to do anything to come to the God conclusion than that scientists will do anything to avoid it.
One guy is postulating that black holes provide an environment for the formation of new universes, but I agree with the other guy in that the best theories show black holes as retaining, not losing information.
The other guy is a proponent of string theory, and believes in a multiverse, which still doesn't get around design, as there's no reason the mul ...[text shortened]... eternal until it was proven wrong, so they push it one up.
Anything to avoid God, I guess.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThey conviently forget that some of the greatest scientific minds were put to use for centuries trying to prove His existence. Newton, Pascal and quite a lot more. Science has come to the conclusions that :
I think you're more likely to do anything to come to the God conclusion than that scientists will do anything to avoid it.
Originally posted by DarfiusWell, you get all sorts of logical problems, and creating Lucifer with exactly that personality was ineffable by anyone's standards.
Any particular reason why?
Originally posted by DarfiusM-theory is regarded as the best hope for a consistent theory of quantum gravity. The idea is that the universe we see is a membrane like structure embedded in a 10 dimensional containing universe they dubbed the bulk. Different membranes in the bulk can have different fields on them and different numbers of dimensions, and there are vast numbers of them so you have a lot of chances to get ones that can support life.
One guy is postulating that black holes provide an environment for the formation of new universes, but I agree with the other guy in that the best theories show black holes as retaining, not losing information.
The other guy is a proponent of string theory, and believes in a multiverse, which still doesn't get around design, as there's no reason the mul ...[text shortened]... eternal until it was proven wrong, so they push it one up.
Anything to avoid God, I guess.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtHorava and Witten started with M-theory in eleven spacetime dimensions, compactified on a 6-dimensional Calabi-Yau space, leaving four space dimensions and time.
M-theory is regarded as the best hope for a consistent theory of quantum gravity. The idea is that the universe we see is a membrane like structure embedded in a 10 dimensional containing universe they dubbed the bulk. Different membranes in the bulk can have different fields on them and different numbers of dimensions, and there are vast numbers of th ...[text shortened]... e we can't explain our own existance simply shifts the problem to one of divine autogeneration.