Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou claim: "I want those that have heard this explanation to either refute it or proffer an equally rational alternative explanation of Matthew Chapter 24"
Fine but you have seized upon a semantic argument, sure its possible, like a Grand Piano will fall from the sky and crush me next Wednesday at 2:25 in the afternoon is possible.
Nor does the fact that other Christians in other epochs which may have understood the prophetic word differently undermine the body of evidence that I have considered no ...[text shortened]... o France and got a pasting and were sent hame. Alexander was killed by a Pakistani mosquito! 😵
But in response to my perfectly rational explanation, you had to concede "Fine but you have seized upon a semantic argument, sure its possible, like a Grand Piano will fall from the sky and crush me next Wednesday at 2:25 in the afternoon is possible. "
Ignoring your sarcasm, you concede that my proposition is possible and being to your mind a "semantic argument" is not a basis to reject my argument. A semantic argument may annoy you or fail to satisfy you but it remains an argument that can be put out and should be considered. You have considered it and you have agreed that my proposition is possible.
You place very low odds on it being likely of course. That is amusing but since you accept the possibility, then it seems to me inconsistent for you to be so disparaging about its prospects of being fulfilled. You have to be very convinced that you are right to take the risk of irritating the prophet in question here if it turns out instead that I am right.
One way or the other, having conceded that I gave a "possible" and rational alternative to your argument, then you have no grounds to continue claiming that nobody has done what you agree I have done.
Credit where it is due, mate.
Originally posted by finneganActually I was thinking of the Huns, entered Europe 200-300, captured Pannonia in 361, were defeated in Battle of Chalons 451, also by Germans in 454.
Counterfactual as you say so I will not pursue the point. I do agree that raiding was pretty standard operating procedure. The fact is that one defeat has never been sufficient reason never to try again and there have to be other reasons. Martel (or his fans) claim too much.
What is not counterfactual, however, is the refutation of Robbie's false asse ...[text shortened]... they did send a letter to the King at one point but nothing ensued as they had other interests.
Originally posted by finneganNo quarter given, none asked for, its Realpolitik 😀
You claim: "I want those that have heard this explanation to either refute it or proffer an equally rational alternative explanation of Matthew Chapter 24"
But in response to my perfectly rational explanation, you had to concede "Fine but you have seized upon a semantic argument, sure its possible, like a Grand Piano will fall from the sky and crush me ...[text shortened]... nue claiming that nobody has done what you agree I have done.
Credit where it is due, mate.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre you sticking by your "In view of the tragic recent events in Japan and Ecuador..." thing, despite the debate that has gone on on this thread? The "Japan and Ecuador" part and "famine" part and "international wars" part of your "composite" have all been dismantled.
I want those that have heard this explanation to either refute it or proffer an equally rational alternative explanation of Matthew Chapter 24, something that you yourself despite your pretensions of being a Christian seem sadly unable to do.
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Originally posted by FMFOn the contrary, since the turn of the century we have seen an unprecedented escalation in warfare which marks no other epoch in history to the same extent. One would have thought that two of the most bloodiest conflicts in the history of humanity would be convincing enough to any rational person that the period is rather unique, but apparently no. We have seen a period of devastating earthquakes, of famines and every other element that the Christ mentions. Your opinion that this has been dismantled is unsupported and is entirely typical of the kind of slobbery propaganda that you like to pander on these forums year in year out as if it has any kind of efficacy beyond the sticky drool which props it up.
Are you sticking by your "In view of the tragic recent events in Japan and Ecuador..." thing, despite the debate that has gone on on this thread? The "Japan and Ecuador" part and "famine" part and "international wars" part of your "composite" have all been dismantled.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou're sticking by your earthquakes thing? The data at the web site you cited was dismantled thoroughly.
On the contrary, since the turn of the century we have seen an unprecedented escalation in warfare which marks no other epoch in history to the same extent. One would have thought that two of the most bloodiest conflicts in the history of humanity would be convincing enough to any rational person that the period is rather unique, but apparently no. W ...[text shortened]... ms year in year out as if it has any kind of efficacy beyond the sticky drool which props it up.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut you've provided no evidence that the number of wars has increased. All that has happened is that they are fought with advanced weapons, over long range, and are reported world wide. There is no statistically significant increase in earthquake frequency, and I don't think famine is any more frequent than in any other epoch.
On the contrary, since the turn of the century we have seen an unprecedented escalation in warfare which marks no other epoch in history to the same extent. We have seen a period of devastating earthquakes, of famines and every other element that the Christ mentions. Your opinion that this has been dismantled is unsupported and is entirely typical of ...[text shortened]... ms year in year out as if it has any kind of efficacy beyond the sticky drool which props it up.
In fact I think you are wrong on every point. You haven't dismantled any of the arguments or provided any real evidence - your claiming to have done so just betrays your disconnection with reality.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy is it that everyone who remembers being reincarnated was either Napoleon or Marie Antoinette, and that everyone believing in the final epoch has it happening in their lifetime?
On the contrary, since the turn of the century we have seen an unprecedented escalation in warfare which marks no other epoch in history to the same extent. One would have thought that two of the most bloodiest conflicts in the history of humanity would be convincing enough to any rational person that the period is rather unique, but apparently no. W ...[text shortened]... ms year in year out as if it has any kind of efficacy beyond the sticky drool which props it up.
Answer that one Einstein.
Your current tactic seems to be to latch on to anything that feasibly supports your belief and discard anything that doesn't. The result is a brazen lack of credibility in everything you post here.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtNonsense I provided a plethora of evidence. There simply has been no other epoch marked with wars as bloody as this one and you have FAILED to provided any evidence to the contrary despite being asked, Actually the prophecy does not say that earthquakes would increase, merely that there would be devastating earthquakes, this cannot be denied, but there has been NO other epoch so marred by warfare as the epoch beginning the turn of the century, this you cannot nor will not deny! this puts paid to the idea that these things have always existed because its nonsense, worlds wars have not always existed because of lack of logistics and many other things. Infact I have refuted everyone of these plastic arguments, with appeals to semantics, pure conjecture, unsatisfactory historical events which are run of the mill, all pandered as alternatives to my great theory.
But you've provided no evidence that the number of wars has increased. All that has happened is that they are fought with advanced weapons, over long range, and are reported world wide. There is no statistically significant increase in earthquake frequency, and I don't think famine is any more frequent than in any other epoch.
In fact I think you ar ...[text shortened]... any real evidence - your claiming to have done so just betrays your disconnection with reality.
What you think is neither here nor there we are interested in empiric's not some ragged vestige of an opinion fluttering like a plastic bag on a war memorial.