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    11 Dec '07 07:56
    What is the Definition to you?

    Is this the legal standing to keep out Christmas displays, and in God We Trust on our money?
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    11 Dec '07 09:03
    Originally posted by freightdog37
    What is the Definition to you?

    Is this the legal standing to keep out Christmas displays, and in God We Trust on our money?
    I think the idea is:
    1. A religious organization should not run the government as it is inherently undemocratic. (and various other reasons)
    2. The government should not favor one particular religion and thus should try to avoid getting directly involved in religion completely.
    3. Religion should not be forced upon the populace eg in public schools, pledges, Christmas displays, adverts on bank notes etc.

    Sadly my home country of Zambia does not have this principle and declared itself a "Christian Nation" - mostly so that the ruling party could get more votes - and religious education (Christian) is compulsory in many public schools.
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    11 Dec '07 10:42
    I notice that rhp doesn't believe in separation of church and chess. The logo has gone all Christmassy 🙂
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    11 Dec '07 11:47
    Originally posted by freightdog37
    What is the Definition to you?

    Is this the legal standing to keep out Christmas displays, and in God We Trust on our money?
    in god we trust , jesus i trust in you .render to caesar what belongs to caesar and to god what belongs to him.
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    11 Dec '07 21:34
    Originally posted by freightdog37
    What is the Definition to you?

    Is this the legal standing to keep out Christmas displays, and in God We Trust on our money?
    No.

    It's to try to prevent the abuse of people in minority. If the state and religion becomes intertwined the limit of abuse potential soars to insanity.
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    11 Dec '07 22:10
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I notice that rhp doesn't believe in separation of church and chess. The logo has gone all Christmassy 🙂
    Every major corporation and business attempts to court the majority of customers so that business is better and subscribers/registrars can say "Oh, that's cute. A pawn with a Santa Claus hat."

    😉
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    11 Dec '07 23:22
    Originally posted by freightdog37
    What is the Definition to you?

    Is this the legal standing to keep out Christmas displays, and in God We Trust on our money?
    It means that the government should not officially endorse any religion.

    Yes, I think we ought to take "In God We Trust" off of our money.

    Yes, I think that public funds [our tax dollars] should not pay for any religious displays.
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    12 Dec '07 09:04
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    It means that the government should not officially endorse any religion.

    Yes, I think we ought to take "In God We Trust" off of our money.

    Yes, I think that public funds [our tax dollars] should not pay for any religious displays.
    Does in God we trust on our money violate the so called separtion of church and state.
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    12 Dec '07 09:42
    Originally posted by freightdog37
    Does in God we trust on our money violate the so called separtion of church and state.
    Most definitely.

    If it said "Satan rules" or "God does not exist", would you object?
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    12 Dec '07 20:16
    Originally posted by freightdog37
    Does in God we trust on our money violate the so called separtion of church and state.
    Yes.
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    12 Dec '07 20:25
    The first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." etc. Having the phrase "In God we Trust" on our currency might be the policy of the US national mint but I don't think it's a "law" passed by congress, so it's probably not a violation of the constitution.

    Having said that, it violates the principle of religious neutrality in government, and overall it's bad form. I think it should probably be removed, but I doubt it's illegal or anything like that.
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    The concept of god is not tied to any specific religion.
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    It is however tied to a specific category of religions, specifically monotheist religions. And it was specifically Christian groups who led the charge to add the phrase to our currency following the civil war, for the stated reason that, otherwise, the US would be a "heathen nation."
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    12 Dec '07 23:26
    Originally posted by darthmix
    The first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." etc. Having the phrase "In God we Trust" on our currency might be the policy of the US national mint but I don't think it's a "law" passed by congress, so it's probably not a violation of the constitution.

    Having said that, it violates the principle of religi ...[text shortened]... think it should probably be removed, but I doubt it's illegal or anything like that.
    http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

    Congress indeed passed laws to add this slogan to US currency, and thus violated the First Amendment.
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    13 Dec '07 03:11
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    It means that the government should not officially endorse any religion.

    Yes, I think we ought to take "In God We Trust" off of our money.

    Yes, I think that public funds [our tax dollars] should not pay for any religious displays.
    Amen! 🙂
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