1. Subscribersonhouse
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    28 Oct '05 17:20
    That is to say does God exist in more dimensions than our big 4?
    Say god is 10th dimensional? What do you think?
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    28 Oct '05 17:311 edit
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    That is to say does God exist in more dimensions than our big 4?
    Say god is 10th dimensional? What do you think?
    Although I am an athiest and I think god does not exist I am intrigued with this idea. (More in 30 minutes)

    Edit: String theory suggests that there are 10 dimentions (I think) and the universe was created by this, I believe they collided or something and created the universe? Who created these dimentions? I think this is what you mean.
  3. Hmmm . . .
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    28 Oct '05 17:52
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    That is to say does God exist in more dimensions than our big 4?
    Say god is 10th dimensional? What do you think?
    Just for the fun of speculation—

    I would think that if there is any such thing as God, it would have to be in as many dimensions as there are in the cosmos (more than 4, apparently, if string theory turns out to be correct), no more no less. But then, I am more of a Taoist/Buddhist/Vedantist than a “super-natural theist.” I don’t object to using the G-word, but a standard theist would object to my use of it (as might a Taoist)—and perhaps rightfully so—so mostly, I just don’t anymore.
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    28 Oct '05 19:08
    Originally posted by vistesd
    Just for the fun of speculation—

    I would think that if there is any such thing as God, it would have to be in as many dimensions as there are in the cosmos (more than 4, apparently, if string theory turns out to be correct), no more no less. But then, I am more of a Taoist/Buddhist/Vedantist than a “super-natural theist.” I don’t object to using the G-w ...[text shortened]... t to my use of it (as might a Taoist)—and perhaps rightfully so—so mostly, I just don’t anymore.
    I couldn't agree with you more, except I come from an
    agnostic stance. I didn't want to add the "If there is a god"
    thing just for the sake of argument, see if theists answer.
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    29 Oct '05 00:11
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    That is to say does God exist in more dimensions than our big 4?
    Say god is 10th dimensional? What do you think?
    If we're talking about, say, the Christian God, then I definitely think he exists outside the big four dimensions.

    The simple reason being the idea of creation ex nihilo - if Time itself started with the 3D universe, then God has to be a being that exists outside those four.
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    29 Oct '05 00:18
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    If we're talking about, say, the Christian God, then I definitely think he exists outside the big four dimensions.

    The simple reason being the idea of creation ex nihilo - if Time itself started with the 3D universe, then God has to be a being that exists outside those four.
    Perhaps an infinite number?
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    29 Oct '05 00:22
    Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
    Perhaps an infinite number?
    Infinite - yes. Number - no.
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    29 Oct '05 05:51
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    Infinite - yes. Number - no.
    Profound - no.
  9. Hmmm . . .
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    29 Oct '05 06:061 edit
    Originally posted by lucifershammer
    If we're talking about, say, the Christian God, then I definitely think he exists outside the big four dimensions.

    The simple reason being the idea of creation ex nihilo - if Time itself started with the 3D universe, then God has to be a being that exists outside those four.
    I’ve always wondered about this (assuming, for the moment, that the continually expanding-contracting model of the universe is not correct)—

    It seem that this presumes that there was (1) God on the one hand, and (2) nihil on the other, standing over-against God in a sense. What is this nihil? Even as a concept of non-being, it seems to limit God. This was the problem of the Jewish Kabbalists: “Where” could there have been that God was not? (Where in scare quotes, because spatially it makes no sense without dimensionality.)

    EDIT: We've discussed the idea of "emanation" before...
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    I think transdimensional would be more consistent with Islamic, Jewish, and Christian theologies. The Creator is beyond all dimensions.
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    29 Oct '05 17:45
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    I think transdimensional would be more consistent with Islamic, Jewish, and Christian theologies. The Creator is beyond all dimensions.
    This leads me to the point that since we cannot know much beyond
    speculation about higher dimensions, it is only an assumption
    that god needs be the being of the most high dimension.
    Suppose our universe is in fact composed of only 4 dimensions.
    Then suppose it only takes some higher number, say six,
    dimensions to allow some being to organize the creation of our
    universe. If our string theory is correct and the 'real' universe is
    made up of 10 dimensions, only 4 of which congeal to become ours,
    Than we have no way of knowing, only human prognostications,
    GOD IS ABOVE ALL THE DIMENSIONS, etc. Whether we say that or
    not changes nothing about what god really is, that is to say how
    high a dimension number it takes to hold it. So it would seem to me
    reasonable to assume god does not have to be above all dimensions,
    only enough higher than ours to have the wherewithall to create
    our 4 space universe.
    If that is so, then it would seem there would be a hierarchy of
    gods and our god would only SEEM infinitely powerful and would in
    effect BE infinitely powerfull from our standpoint but not from the
    standpoint of all that is. And you still have no idea of its real motive
    for creating the universe in the first place and what other life forms
    are around maybe thought of as much more important to the
    plans of god than our little planet. You only have prognostications,
    words and more words untill such a god makes itself known to all
    men equally, the rest of the world religiously speaking are going
    their way alone because they have so many different opposing
    viewpoints, the same god would not be telling all of them
    so many deadly opposite things.
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    29 Oct '05 17:491 edit
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    I think transdimensional would be more consistent with Islamic, Jewish, and Christian theologies. The Creator is beyond all dimensions.
    Transdimensional

    That may be the clearest, most concise descripton of the difference between the Judaic-Christian-Islamic view and the, say, Vedantic-Buddhist-Taoist views that I have seen. Only one qualifcation: I think the "transdimensional" view can hold that God is both beyond and within, both transcendant and immanent; different folks weight those two aspects differently.

    Thank you for that single word!
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    God doesn't exist yet; we make Him up as we go along. We have plenty of time to do so, with the proviso that if we do run out of time,(cold death of the universe or whatever) we're done.
    If however, God gets made in time (so to speak) He dwells instantly outside of time and space and He gets to create us and the universe and we are reborn.
    Well, that's what it says on the bottom of this package of Pez anyways.
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    30 Oct '05 03:01
    Originally posted by KneverKnight
    God doesn't exist yet; we make Him up as we go along. We have plenty of time to do so, with the proviso that if we do run out of time,(cold death of the universe or whatever) we're done.
    If however, God gets made in time (so to speak) He dwells instantly outside of time and space and He gets to create us and the universe and we are reborn.
    Well, that's what it says on the bottom of this package of Pez anyways.
    You know thats the heart of 'Transdimensional'.
    Pez futures may be the next big thing!
    BTW if 'god' is transdimensional, he/she/it already knew what
    happens to the human race when the Dinosaurs were squiggling out
    of the mire. If so, he/she/it, can we shorten that pronoun somehow?
    I can think of one but it would be banned, anyway, if 'god' views us
    from outside time, sheit reads our universe like a movie editor
    going from one frame to the next, back ten, forward a hundred,
    clipping out pieces sheit doesn't like, etc. Kind of gives a new definition
    to predestination, eh.
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    30 Oct '05 03:06
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    If so, he/she/it, can we shorten that pronoun somehow?
    David R. Williams, in his excellent writing guide for college students claims that he used s/he/it as a moniker for the Creator at Harvard. Allegedly his professors took offense at the term.

    Edit: Oh, a link to his book: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/BookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=yV15tgLCKV&isbn=0465091598&itm=1
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