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28 Oct 05
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Originally posted by sonhouseAlthough I am an athiest and I think god does not exist I am intrigued with this idea. (More in 30 minutes)
That is to say does God exist in more dimensions than our big 4?
Say god is 10th dimensional? What do you think?
Edit: String theory suggests that there are 10 dimentions (I think) and the universe was created by this, I believe they collided or something and created the universe? Who created these dimentions? I think this is what you mean.
28 Oct 05
Originally posted by sonhouseJust for the fun of speculation—
That is to say does God exist in more dimensions than our big 4?
Say god is 10th dimensional? What do you think?
I would think that if there is any such thing as God, it would have to be in as many dimensions as there are in the cosmos (more than 4, apparently, if string theory turns out to be correct), no more no less. But then, I am more of a Taoist/Buddhist/Vedantist than a “super-natural theist.” I don’t object to using the G-word, but a standard theist would object to my use of it (as might a Taoist)—and perhaps rightfully so—so mostly, I just don’t anymore.
28 Oct 05
Originally posted by vistesdI couldn't agree with you more, except I come from an
Just for the fun of speculation—
I would think that if there is any such thing as God, it would have to be in as many dimensions as there are in the cosmos (more than 4, apparently, if string theory turns out to be correct), no more no less. But then, I am more of a Taoist/Buddhist/Vedantist than a “super-natural theist.” I don’t object to using the G-w ...[text shortened]... t to my use of it (as might a Taoist)—and perhaps rightfully so—so mostly, I just don’t anymore.
agnostic stance. I didn't want to add the "If there is a god"
thing just for the sake of argument, see if theists answer.
29 Oct 05
Originally posted by sonhouseIf we're talking about, say, the Christian God, then I definitely think he exists outside the big four dimensions.
That is to say does God exist in more dimensions than our big 4?
Say god is 10th dimensional? What do you think?
The simple reason being the idea of creation ex nihilo - if Time itself started with the 3D universe, then God has to be a being that exists outside those four.
29 Oct 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerPerhaps an infinite number?
If we're talking about, say, the Christian God, then I definitely think he exists outside the big four dimensions.
The simple reason being the idea of creation ex nihilo - if Time itself started with the 3D universe, then God has to be a being that exists outside those four.
29 Oct 05
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Originally posted by lucifershammerI’ve always wondered about this (assuming, for the moment, that the continually expanding-contracting model of the universe is not correct)—
If we're talking about, say, the Christian God, then I definitely think he exists outside the big four dimensions.
The simple reason being the idea of creation ex nihilo - if Time itself started with the 3D universe, then God has to be a being that exists outside those four.
It seem that this presumes that there was (1) God on the one hand, and (2) nihil on the other, standing over-against God in a sense. What is this nihil? Even as a concept of non-being, it seems to limit God. This was the problem of the Jewish Kabbalists: “Where” could there have been that God was not? (Where in scare quotes, because spatially it makes no sense without dimensionality.)
EDIT: We've discussed the idea of "emanation" before...
29 Oct 05
Originally posted by WulebgrThis leads me to the point that since we cannot know much beyond
I think transdimensional would be more consistent with Islamic, Jewish, and Christian theologies. The Creator is beyond all dimensions.
speculation about higher dimensions, it is only an assumption
that god needs be the being of the most high dimension.
Suppose our universe is in fact composed of only 4 dimensions.
Then suppose it only takes some higher number, say six,
dimensions to allow some being to organize the creation of our
universe. If our string theory is correct and the 'real' universe is
made up of 10 dimensions, only 4 of which congeal to become ours,
Than we have no way of knowing, only human prognostications,
GOD IS ABOVE ALL THE DIMENSIONS, etc. Whether we say that or
not changes nothing about what god really is, that is to say how
high a dimension number it takes to hold it. So it would seem to me
reasonable to assume god does not have to be above all dimensions,
only enough higher than ours to have the wherewithall to create
our 4 space universe.
If that is so, then it would seem there would be a hierarchy of
gods and our god would only SEEM infinitely powerful and would in
effect BE infinitely powerfull from our standpoint but not from the
standpoint of all that is. And you still have no idea of its real motive
for creating the universe in the first place and what other life forms
are around maybe thought of as much more important to the
plans of god than our little planet. You only have prognostications,
words and more words untill such a god makes itself known to all
men equally, the rest of the world religiously speaking are going
their way alone because they have so many different opposing
viewpoints, the same god would not be telling all of them
so many deadly opposite things.
29 Oct 05
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Originally posted by WulebgrTransdimensional
I think transdimensional would be more consistent with Islamic, Jewish, and Christian theologies. The Creator is beyond all dimensions.
That may be the clearest, most concise descripton of the difference between the Judaic-Christian-Islamic view and the, say, Vedantic-Buddhist-Taoist views that I have seen. Only one qualifcation: I think the "transdimensional" view can hold that God is both beyond and within, both transcendant and immanent; different folks weight those two aspects differently.
Thank you for that single word!
30 Oct 05
God doesn't exist yet; we make Him up as we go along. We have plenty of time to do so, with the proviso that if we do run out of time,(cold death of the universe or whatever) we're done.
If however, God gets made in time (so to speak) He dwells instantly outside of time and space and He gets to create us and the universe and we are reborn.
Well, that's what it says on the bottom of this package of Pez anyways.
30 Oct 05
Originally posted by KneverKnightYou know thats the heart of 'Transdimensional'.
God doesn't exist yet; we make Him up as we go along. We have plenty of time to do so, with the proviso that if we do run out of time,(cold death of the universe or whatever) we're done.
If however, God gets made in time (so to speak) He dwells instantly outside of time and space and He gets to create us and the universe and we are reborn.
Well, that's what it says on the bottom of this package of Pez anyways.
Pez futures may be the next big thing!
BTW if 'god' is transdimensional, he/she/it already knew what
happens to the human race when the Dinosaurs were squiggling out
of the mire. If so, he/she/it, can we shorten that pronoun somehow?
I can think of one but it would be banned, anyway, if 'god' views us
from outside time, sheit reads our universe like a movie editor
going from one frame to the next, back ten, forward a hundred,
clipping out pieces sheit doesn't like, etc. Kind of gives a new definition
to predestination, eh.
30 Oct 05
Originally posted by sonhouseDavid R. Williams, in his excellent writing guide for college students claims that he used s/he/it as a moniker for the Creator at Harvard. Allegedly his professors took offense at the term.
If so, he/she/it, can we shorten that pronoun somehow?
Edit: Oh, a link to his book: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/BookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=yV15tgLCKV&isbn=0465091598&itm=1