Originally posted by moon1969Probably most posters of this discussion are more content to argue about women teachers than to actually read any teaching from a Christian woman.
Should women teach? I mean Paul makes a good point. Adam was not deceived, but the woman was in the transgression.
From the New Testament:Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:11-14.
Be that as it may this is one of the best Christian teaching books I have read in the last 10 years. And it is by a Christian woman -
Mary E. McDonough
God's Plan of Redemption
http://marymcdonough.ccws.org/redemption/index.html
http://marymcdonough.ccws.org/
A marvelous book that I would read more than once, maybe even more than twice.
Originally posted by jaywillWomen make very good teachers for children. I believe we should have
Probably most posters of this discussion are more content to [b]argue about women teachers than to actually read any teaching from a Christian woman.
Be that as it may this is one of the best Christian teaching books I have read in the last 10 years. And it is by a Christian woman -
Mary E. McDonough
God's Plan ...[text shortened]... ccws.org/
A marvelous book that I would read more than once, maybe even more than twice.
both because men and women complement each other.
-Removed-Very Good outline on women prophets in the Bible.
Ok, you skeptics out there championing the sisters, by all means, PLEASE humble yourself and go LEARN something from a Christian woman.
Here's another for you. Please go be Christian woman taught -
Mrs. Jessie Penn Lewis
http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=jessie+penn+lewis&tag=mh0b-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=21283697&ref=pd_sl_644memm4rg_e
I will try to be more concise. Agree with Paul's logic below? And how should women apply this scripture in their lives today? Is this an unresovable contradiction with other scripture in the Bible? Does the words of Paul the architect of christianity overrule any conflicting scripture or examples in the Bible of women who sinned by being teachers? Again, does Paul's logic below make sense? Do women today bear an extra unique burden because of Eve's transgression?
Premise: Adam was first formed before Eve, and Adam was not deceived but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Conclusion: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection, and not to teach or usurp authority of the man, but to be in silence.
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:11-14.
Female equality is presumed in the following passages of the Bible, of which Paul of course was familiar. A question is added for the doubter that these passages exhibited male - female equality:
1.) Genesis 1:27 - "God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; MALE AND FEMALE He created them"
Why didn't Genesis just say only the MALE God created in His image ?
2.) Genesis 2:24 - "For this reason a man shall leave HIS FATHER AND HIS MOTHER, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh"
Why didn't Genesis just say that a man shall leave HIS FATHER without mentioning the mother ?
3.) Exodus 20:12 - "Honor YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER, that your days ma be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you" (Compare 21:15; Deut. 5:16; 21:18-21; 27:16)
Why didn't the Scripture just say honor your FATHER without regard to the mother ?
4.) Leviticus 19:3 - "Every one of you shall reverence HIS MOTHER AND HIS FATHER" (Compare 20:9)
Why didn't the Bible just say everyone should reverence his FATHER with no regard for the MOTHER ?
5.) Proverbs 6:20 - "My son, observe the commandment of YOUR FATHER and do not forsake the teaching of YOUR MOTHER."
Why didn't the Bible just say observe the FATHER's teaching and disregard the teaching of the MOTHER ?
6.) Proverbs 19:26 - "He who assaults HIS FATHER and drives HIS MOTHER away is a shameful and disgraceful son."
Why didn't Proverbs just mention the shame and disgrace of driving away the FATHER only without regard to the MOTHER ?
7.) Proverbs 23:22 - "Listen to your FATHER who begot you, and do not despise YOUR MOTHER when she is old."
Why didn't the Old Testament simply mention the begetting father and ignore how the MOTHER is treated when old ?
8.) Proverbs 23:25 - "Let your FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER be glad, and let HER rejoice who gave birth to you."
Why didn't Proverbs only mention the gladness and rejoicing of the MAN, the FATHER ? Why didn't it ignore the feelings of the MOTHER ?
9.) Song of Songs 6:3 - "I am my beloverd's and my beloved is mine" (Compare 7:10)
Why didn't the Song of Songs only mention ownership one way - the woman belonging to the man solely ?
These passages bring out the equality of men and women intended by God His creation.
Originally posted by jaywillWhat does any of this have to do with the Pauline passages and the questions about them?
Female equality is presumed in the following passages of the Bible, of which Paul of course was familiar. A question is added for the doubter that these passages exhibited male - female equality:
1.) [b]Genesis 1:27 - "God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; MALE AND FEMALE He created them"
Why didn't Genesis j ...[text shortened]... ng out the equality of men and women intended by God His creation.[/b]
Originally posted by SwissGambitIt may be a little off the immediate subject.
What does any of this have to do with the Pauline passages and the questions about them?
I miss posted it. It was meant for another thread where I put it, having noticed my mistake.
Then I decided to leave it there so you would read it and question it anyway.
Originally posted by jaywillDoes Paul's words overrule these Old Testament verses you list when it comes to Paul not wanting women to teach and to be silent in subjection to her husband?
Female equality is presumed in the following passages of the Bible, of which Paul of course was familiar. A question is added for the doubter that these passages exhibited male - female equality:
1.) [b]Genesis 1:27 - "God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; MALE AND FEMALE He created them"
Why didn't Genesis j ...[text shortened]... ng out the equality of men and women intended by God His creation.[/b]