Originally posted by jaywill
I have no idea why deciding to trust the words of Jesus about Himself and God is not reasonable.
This whole matter of faith in the Bible's Christ not being of reason strikes me as very weird.
It is good reasoning which includes the possibility, power, and Person of God. It is reasoning with God and including
God in one's reasoning process.
I would say it's not 'reasonable' but that might end up with a pointless and boring debate over the
definition of reasonable.
So I will stick with my preferred word, It isn't (by definition)
rational to believe in things without
adequate evidence to justify such a belief.
As there is no evidence for, and plenty against, the existence of god or gods, it isn't rational to believe
in such things. It is (again by definition) irrational.
To have 'faith' (in anything) is to believe without evidence or proof, and often despite evidence or proof
to the contrary. And is thus by definition irrational.
Now I would say that it can't be construed as reasonable to be irrational, and that using reason implies
and requires rationality. Which is why I would say that faith, religious or otherwise, is unreasonable.
But it is certainly irrational.
As for trust... I don't use faith and trust as being interchangeable words.
I use faith to mean belief in things without (or despite) evidence to back it up.
I use trust to mean belief in things with evidence to justify it, belief that is proportional to that justification.
So if you were to go skydiving then you 'trust' that your parachute will open and arrest your fall.
You trust that the person who packed and checked it (possibly you) did so properly.
And you do these things because there is justification for doing so.
In the vast majority of jumps parachutes DO open and DO work as intended.
You understand the aerodynamic principles that make this be so.
You know that the person who packed your chute is a professional who has done this hundreds if not thousands
of times and knows what they are doing.
But you don't trust absolutely so you have a backup chute in-case the main fails. (among other safety checks and factors.)
So I would say that under my definitions you can have faith but not trust in JC or god because you have no evidence
or justification for trusting in them.
You are free to use trust differently from me, however you should be aware that when I say trust I am and will
be using my version not yours.