02 Feb '12 11:51>3 edits
Originally posted by Rajk999
So God sent his son Jesus Christ to preach and tell you what you have to do.
Christ sent the Apostles to preach. And you rather listen to some moron called Watchman Nee ? Incredible !!
I never told you any opinion of mine. I have no opinion on what is required for salvation.
What I do know is what Christ and all the Apostles said.
So God sent his son Jesus Christ to preach and tell you what you have to do.
First of all. He told me to believe.
First of all He told me to stop my doing, my working, my laboring and believe into Himself.
I don't get that from you unfortunately. At least it really doesn't come through clearly. You sound usually more like one of the Pharisees or the Judiazers who hounded Paul and sought ruin the churches in Galatia.
Christ sent the Apostles to preach. And you rather listen to some moron called Watchman Nee ? Incredible !!
What do you know about Watchman Nee ?
Brother Watchman Nee was martyred for his Lord Jesus in a Communist prison. There as a preacher of the Gospel he voluntarily spent the last 20 years of his life for his faithfulness to the hundreds of local churches raised up through his labors. He had opportunity to escape the Communist takeover of China. He chose not to escape to Taiwan or somewhere else because of his faithfulness to those whom he served.
You could never hold a candle to Brother Watchman Nee. He died by martyrdom for his faithfulness to his consecration to serve the Lord.
But that is not as important as what the word of God says to which Brother Nee was consecrated. And when we are talking about eternal redemption and receiving the GIFT of eternal life the only requirement is FAITH.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, AND THIS NOT OF YOURSELVES; it is the GIFT of God; Not of works that no one should boast" (Ephesians: 2:8,9)
We are ONLY speaking right now of the initial gift of salvation.
How did Paul say we are saved ??
"For by grace you have been saved through faith".
What "work" do I have to boast in for being saved ? I have NO work to boast in because this salvation is "not of works". If it is of works then it is not "the gift of God".
It is not the wages of my labor " For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the GIFT of God ..."
Of works is this salvation or NOT of works is this salvation ?
" ... it is the GIFT of God; Not of works that no one should boast."
Now when you have understood this and you THEN want to go on to talk about serving, maturing, growing, building, building up with other saints, encreasing in consecration, and general maturity, then THAT particular subject can be examined with its relevant teachings.
When you have understood that the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ, not of works, then we can go on from the FOUNDATION of the Christian life to speak of other matters.
I never told you any opinion of mine. I have no opinion on what is required for salvation. What I do know is what Christ and all the Apostles said.
Some of your interpretations are wrong. If I understand you rightly, you are legal about the GIFT of eternal life through Jesus Christ. And every verse you think to throw at me I already anticipate how you intend to use it. I regard your use of some of them as twistings.
Learn also something about Brother Watchman Nee before you call such a faithful servant of the Lord a moron.
http://www.watchmannee.org/