"Since no one except God and the angels..."

Originally posted by googlefudge
I'm not confusing anything.

Hope is a wish for something; for the future to be better, for something to happen,
for something to not happen, for something to stop happening, for whatever it is
that is desired.

Hope is misplaced any time the thing hoped for is impossible, or otherwise definitively
not going to happen.

Hope is also misplaced ...[text shortened]... turn out right when they
have it in their power to take action to make things turn out right.

And is the idea of jumping off a building showing any form of hope that you have stated?

Originally posted by Pudgenik
And is the idea of jumping off a building showing any form of hope that you have stated?

Did you miss the part of the sentence that said "hoping to fly away"?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (OP)
"Since no one except God and the angels..."

Since no one except God and the angels were present at creation (Job 38:4-7) all views on the origin of the universe and life must be based ultimately on faith rather than direct observation. Faith is perception of reality based on the authority and/or veracity of God or someone else. Either we express faith in the Word of God the Creator or we express faith in man's speculative theories that exclude God. Either way we exercise faith. God Speaks to Job. Chapter 38...

1 "Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,
2 “Who is this that darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
3 “Now gird up your loins like a man,
And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!

4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding,
5 Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the line on it?
6 “On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 “Or who enclosed the sea with doors
When, bursting forth, it went out from the womb;
9 When I made a cloud its garment
And thick darkness its swaddling band,
10 And I placed boundaries on it
And set a bolt and doors,
11 And I said, ‘Thus far you shall come, but no farther;
And here shall your proud waves stop’?"

"The heavens are telling of the glory of God; and their expanse is declaring the work of His hands." Psalm 19:1 "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made so that they [unbelievers] are without excuse." Romans 1:20 (1 of 2)

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
God’s Mighty Power

12 “Have you ever in your life commanded the morning,
And caused the dawn to know its place,
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth,
And the wicked be shaken out of it?
14 “It is changed like clay under the seal;
And they stand forth like a garment.
15 “From the wicked their light is withheld,
And the uplifted arm is broken.

16 “Have you entered into the springs of the sea
Or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 “Have the gates of death been revealed to you,
Or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?
18 “Have you understood the expanse of the earth?
Tell Me, if you know all this.

19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light?
And darkness, where is its place,
20 That you may take it to its territory
And that you may discern the paths to its home?
21 “You know, for you were born then,
And the number of your days is great!
22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow,
Or have you seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved for the time of distress,
For the day of war and battle?
24 “Where is the way that the light is divided,
Or the east wind scattered on the earth?

25 “Who has cleft a channel for the flood,
Or a way for the thunderbolt,
26 To bring rain on a land without people,
On a desert without a man in it,
27 To satisfy the waste and desolate land
And to make the seeds of grass to sprout?
28 “Has the rain a father?
Or who has begotten the drops of dew?
29 “From whose womb has come the ice?
And the frost of heaven, who has given it birth?
30 “Water becomes hard like stone,
And the surface of the deep is imprisoned.

31 “Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades,
Or loose the cords of Orion?
32 “Can you lead forth a constellation in its season,
And guide the Bear with her satellites?
33 “Do you know the ordinances of the heavens,
Or fix their rule over the earth?

34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
So that an abundance of water will cover you?
35 “Can you send forth lightnings that they may go
And say to you, ‘Here we are’?
36 “Who has put wisdom in the innermost being
Or given understanding to the mind?
37 “Who can count the clouds by wisdom,
Or tip the water jars of the heavens,
38 When the dust hardens into a mass
And the clods stick together?

39 “Can you hunt the prey for the lion,
Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions,
40 When they crouch in their dens
And lie in wait in their lair?
41 “Who prepares for the raven its nourishment
When its young cry to God
And wander about without food?" Job 38:1-41 (2 of 2)

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (OP)
[b]Since no one except God and the angels were present at creation (Job 38:4-7)

If that's your premise then it's difficult to argue against!

Originally posted by wolfgang59
If that's your premise then it's difficult to argue against!

Would be difficult for me to "argue against" this origin reference, too; it's from the Word of God.