Something we can all agree on

Since I've been away for some time, I don't know if (or how much) this has been discussed yet. So, I hope I'm not beating a dead horse.

That said, I was really pleased to see this interview. I think it helped illustrate that whackos are whackos and that they do not represent the majority of people who may fall under similar labels (such as Christian, etc.). It's crap like that that causes irrational stereotypes.

I think we can all agree, this church is full of whackos.

http://www.badtree.com/Oh_Shit!/wmv/Crazy_Lady_and_Protesting_Soldier_Funerals.htm

Originally posted by Omnislash
Since I've been away for some time, I don't know if (or how much) this has been discussed yet. So, I hope I'm not beating a dead horse.

That said, I was really pleased to see this interview. I think it helped illustrate that whackos are whackos and that they do not represent the majority of people who may fall under similar labels (such as Christian, e ackos.

http://www.badtree.com/Oh_Shit!/wmv/Crazy_Lady_and_Protesting_Soldier_Funerals.htm

Well obviously members of that Church would not agree with you. Surely a whacko is merely someone whos views are so far removed from yours that they seem illogical, irrational and basically whacko to you. Why exactly would a Christian not fall under the whacko label from the point of view of an athiest? Thier beliefs are definately illogical and irrational.

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It is not far removed from the use of the word 'cult' to refer to anyone whose beliefs are reasonably far removed from your own.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Well obviously members of that Church would not agree with you. Surely a whacko is merely someone whos views are so far removed from yours that they seem illogical, irrational and basically whacko to you. Why exactly would a Christian not fall under the whacko label from the point of view of an athiest? Thier beliefs are definately illogical and irrationa ...[text shortened]... of the word 'cult' to refer to anyone whose beliefs are reasonably far removed from your own.

I think you fail to understand what I am attempting to assert. Quite frankly, if you can not discern the significant difference between generalistic views of existence and the blatently malicious actions of this particular church group, then I'm afraid I must assume that you lack to capacity to engage in a rational and productive discussion with me (no offense). I do not intend to argue for the sake of argueing, which is where I would see this line of reasoning going.

Now, the title of this thread was intended to infer that I assert that anyone does/should agree with me that this particular church group are wackos in the extreme. If you wish to contend otherwise, I would like to hear your rational. 😉

In regards to usage of the term 'cult'. I think it fair and accurate to use the term in regards to any belief system. Period. That said, the term is typically not used in regards to the mainstream as it's general use has been tied (implicitly) to, shall we say, less popular belief systems. By definition, any belief system IS a cult. It simply is not used in regards to ones individual beliefs, or a popular belief, due to the socially normative use of the word.

Originally posted by Omnislash
Since I've been away for some time, I don't know if (or how much) this has been discussed yet. So, I hope I'm not beating a dead horse.

That said, I was really pleased to see this interview. I think it helped illustrate that whackos are whackos and that they do not represent the majority of people who may fall under similar labels (such as Christian, e ...[text shortened]... ackos.

http://www.badtree.com/Oh_Shit!/wmv/Crazy_Lady_and_Protesting_Soldier_Funerals.htm

Oh my.

I can understand some of her beliefs at a very abstract level, but her means of expressing them is extraordinary.

When I say 'some of her beliefs', it's only if she DOESN'T believe that soldiers are dying as punishment for their individual sins, or their family's sins. Because if she believes that, someone from another church needs to lend her a copy of Luke 13:1-5 and John 9:1-3.

Even if the deaths of soldiers do in some way reflect the sins of the country as a whole, what she does is incredibly unloving and, well, whacko.

Originally posted by Omnislash
Now, the title of this thread was intended to infer that I assert that anyone does/should agree with me that this particular church group are wackos in the extreme. If you wish to contend otherwise, I would like to hear your rational.

wacko: nutter: a person who is regarded as eccentric or mad

I do not have sound on the computer I am currently using, so I was unable to get much from your link. However you have clearly stated that it is a church group we are talking about and not an individual. I doubt therefore that they are all clinically deranged. Any other behaviour they might be guilty of is almost cirtainly not significantly different from most other religious groups even though it may be extreme in a particular direction. Almost all religions have extremists and the behaviour of a large proportion of religious people could be considered irrational or mad by people with different views/beliefs. If the people in question are wackos in the extreme, then there is a large number of less extreme wackos out there.
Interestingly being extreme should only indicate a seriousness of belief. Many religious people are only moderate because they do not seem to take their religions very seriously.

Originally posted by twhitehead
wacko: nutter: a person who is regarded as eccentric or mad

I do not have sound on the computer I am currently using, so I was unable to get much from your link. However you have clearly stated that it is a church group we are talking about and not an individual. I doubt therefore that they are all clinically deranged. Any other behaviour they might b ...[text shortened]... igious people are only moderate because they do not seem to take their religions very seriously.

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Originally posted by Omnislash
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That may have taken some time.

Originally posted by Omnislash
Since I've been away for some time, I don't know if (or how much) this has been discussed yet. So, I hope I'm not beating a dead horse.

That said, I was really pleased to see this interview. I think it helped illustrate that whackos are whackos and that they do not represent the majority of people who may fall under similar labels (such as Christian, e ...[text shortened]... ackos.

http://www.badtree.com/Oh_Shit!/wmv/Crazy_Lady_and_Protesting_Soldier_Funerals.htm

The site you've provided reminded me of another H&C interview from a few months back:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185563,00.html

Anyone remember this guy?

Originally posted by Omnislash
Since I've been away for some time, I don't know if (or how much) this has been discussed yet. So, I hope I'm not beating a dead horse.

That said, I was really pleased to see this interview. I think it helped illustrate that whackos are whackos and that they do not represent the majority of people who may fall under similar labels (such as Christian, e ...[text shortened]... ackos.

http://www.badtree.com/Oh_Shit!/wmv/Crazy_Lady_and_Protesting_Soldier_Funerals.htm

"Thank God for the Soldiers' deaths" read the placards.

This is totally correct.

After all, God told Bush to go to war with Iraq in the first place, didn't he?

"God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html

Of course this woman is insane...so are all religious people. (or more accurately 'unsane'😉
The really scary thing is that so is the President of the USA.

Originally posted by howardgee
"Thank God for the Soldiers' deaths" read the placards.

This is totally correct.

After all, God told Bush to go to war with Iraq in the first place, didn't he?

"God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

http://www.guardian ...[text shortened]... curately 'unsane'😉
The really scary thing is that so is the President of the USA.

There he goes with his unsane theories again.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
There he goes with his unsane theories again.

You clearly don't understand what "unsane" means. Just like everything else you waffle on about.

I am just glad to see you're back Omnislash!

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Impressive! Perhaps we should stop bantering with words and simply start drawing pictures to each other (censored of coarse). I find it much more productive and drives the point home better.

Originally posted by howardgee
You clearly don't understand what "unsane" means. Just like everything else you waffle on about.

Do I need an hSDR (howardgee's Secret Decoder Ring) to understand what "unsane" means? It certainly isn't in my dictionary.