Speculation about Supernatural Things

Does forming and holding beliefs based on speculation about supernatural causality, beings and pheonema too often lead to "intellectual" bubbles and cul-de-sacs?

@fmf said
Does forming and holding beliefs based on speculation about supernatural causality, beings and pheonema too often lead to "intellectual" bubbles and cul-de-sacs?

@pb1022 said
You said you were a Christian for what 40 years, and you never experienced God’s involvement in your life? You never felt God’s presence and comfort in your life?

To what degree did you seek God and seek His comfort and presence during your alleged 40+ years of being a Christian?

@pb1022 said
Your OP’s a non-starter (and wrong) because it assumes people believe in God and His involvement in their lives based on “speculation.”

@fmf said
I think we can but speculate about supernatural things and our assertions rooted therein are sujective. This applies to me too.

@fmf said
Does forming and holding beliefs based on speculation about supernatural causality, beings and pheonema too often lead to "intellectual" bubbles and cul-de-sacs?

@suzianne said
God's presence in my life is real, as is my faith. I've seen too much to think otherwise.

@fmf said
I don't dispute your faith is real. I don't dispute that things you have seen make you even more certain about your faith.

You are an annihilationist. Others believe in eternal torture. Do you think both you, and Christians who believe in eternal torture, are in fact speculating about what happens to us after we die?

@suzianne said
I don't know and I'll probably never experience what you're talking about because I don't "speculate" about such things anymore.

@suzianne said
I think my view on this is the only one that makes sense. My God, who has shown me mercy many times, is just not an "eternal torture" kind of God. There's just no reason, except vengeance, to torture souls for eternity. And he IS a merciful God. So I'm just not seeing it.

@fmf said
So, you concede that both you and Christians who believe in eternal torture are speculating about what might happen to us after death?

@pb1022 said
<<And you sincerely sought God and sought His help and comfort for problems you experienced during 25+ years and never received a response from God?>>

It says a lot that you avoided this question.

@fmf said
If you want me to testify about the beliefs I had in the past, you are about 20 years too late. I post here as an agnostic atheist and I am more than willing to discuss my current beliefs.

I will leave the theist willy-waving about how much, how long, how deep, how real, how sure, how true, how sincere, how many sermons, how many prayers, how many experiences, and to what deg ...[text shortened]... s you have become stuck in an intellectual cul-de-sac.

Which brings us back to the thread topic.

@fmf said
If you no longer realize that assertions that we humans make about supernatural things are unprovable and are therefore matters of personal faith, then perhaps your ideas regarding these things exist in a kind of bubble or a cul-de-sac.

@pb1022 said
Like I said, it says a lot about how you avoided this question:

<<And you sincerely sought God and sought His help and comfort for problems you experienced during 25+ years and never received a response from God?>>